Jayne Jenkins - Surface Interval

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Matt Waters: Don, you're back in the studio at long last, how the

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devil are you old diamond?

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Don Silcock: Pretty damn good actually pretty damn good.

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Matt Waters: Give us a little bit of what you've been doing

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the last couple of weeks

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Don Silcock: well I got my life back excuse me I yeah I'm I've

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really felt like I've got my mojo back after two years of

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induced coma. The trips that I booked for 2020 is starting to

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happen. So the first one was to Tahoe in the Philippines which

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was quite an adventure trying to get all the tests and everything

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you have to get done to go there and to get back into Australia.

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But it's all worth it because it's a great sight beautiful

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reefs absolutely superb reefs very very well managed. The

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Conservation that's gone on there is extremely impressive.

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Really when you consider it was all done in the 1980s in the

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Philippines where you know good governance wasn't the place

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wasn't known for it but they don't have an absolutely superb

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job and I was very impressed so that was it was just fantastic

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to to get there and added to back to back trips and then back

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down to Australia and only here for a couple of days and went

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back up to Bali to get our house sorted out there and I've made a

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you know all that's But call me back to life and I'm off on a

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four week adventure to India on Saturday that's something else

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that's adventure motorcycling but

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Matt Waters: yeah, this is why I dragged you into the studio

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because trying to nail you down along with Lisa at the same time

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is practically impossible right now now that we've got freedom

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of movement everyone's back to doing stuff it's brilliant.

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However it's a pain in the ass trying to get in the studio.

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Don Silcock: Well you know we want sympathy get a dog is the

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best thing I could say after two years of you know what we will

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what we all went through you know I mean it was awful all

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round but you know I've just I'm just over the moon to be doing

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this stuff again. You know stuff I love doing and getting your

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life back.

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Matt Waters: Well, we've got to add in right at the start here

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before you go on about to patata Tata some more. We've got a

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lovely lady in the studio with us today, which is Jane, and she

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is Don's dive buddy for what? 20 years.

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Don Silcock: Yeah, we I met Jane in Sydney Airport. 20 something

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years ago, I think 20 years ago are like those. It was it was

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filmed days. It was you know, we had film cameras back then. But

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yeah, it was on a great white strip Wasn't it too, with

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Ralphie roll Fergie about ski. And since then we've we've dived

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a lot together and Jane's look at well, I always look rough. So

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but the thing is, Jayne was great. So when I, you know, came

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back to Sydney here, during the pandemic, Jane invited me out to

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a secret place, which is child obey and look to maybe you can

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introduce yourself, Jayne and talk a little bit about Chowder

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bay I know it's something that you're really passionate about

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as...

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Jayne Jenkins: Well I'm not as exotic as Don, I don't sort of

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travel as much as he does, I get away when I can, but my go to is

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child obey, which is in Mosman in Sydney. And no matter you

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know, I might go there three or four times a week and no matter

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how often you go there, how craps the visitors, how bad the

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water is, whatever, there's always something there's always

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something there to be seen, you know, I could show Dawn things

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in Sydney, that if you if you put some photos together and you

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you know I'm not blasting Lambay but if you put some photos of

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Joe Dube together and then put some photos of Lambay together

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you got the same preachers and I was diving there this morning

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and I was diving with Professor Bill Gladstone who's a Professor

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of Marine Biology and I saw an octopus who it was like he split

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himself into he was like a black and white minstrel where they

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used to have one face side of their face black one side of

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their face and white. I mean, this whole body just went black

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one side and white the other side.

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Matt Waters: Is this the octopus that you visit on a regular

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basis? Yeah,

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Jayne Jenkins: this is you know, my Octopus friend.

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Don Silcock: I need to explain that whenever I whenever we've

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done trips together, media I always introduce her as the Lord

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Mayor. God because it's true

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Matt Waters: Yeah, you do seem to dive literally daily,

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Jayne Jenkins: three or four days a week? Not quite daily.

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And yeah, well, it's just a special place. It's years ago

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what my husband's are shipping pilots. He was a shipping pilot

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in Sydney. And he'd given me a blast when he was taking a

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cruise ship out through the harbour. And there'd be people

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on there Yeah, who in you know, they all did the YMCA is going

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up the harbour. Not one of them knew what was underneath the

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harbour. And what we've got in Sydney Harbour is amazing. It

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Matt Waters: is absolutely fantastic. And chowder Bay. It's

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one of the places where I really, it makes me laugh at

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times, because the amount of people fishing on the pier on

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the jetty are like, dudes, if you could see what's down here,

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you wouldn't even get out of bed. Exactly.

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Jayne Jenkins: But I do sometimes, you know, the fish

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aren't here. They're over there. And the last few days we've had

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a very, very friendly Seal come in

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Matt Waters: I saw that, didn't someone, put a name to it on

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Sydney Viz?

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Jayne Jenkins: for Clifton gardens, but Cliffy has been

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swimming along pinching all the fisherman's bait (Laughter)

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is a poser. And he did have a trace hanging out of his mouth

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the other day, but it's gone now. So he's still there. And

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he's still fine. And this morning, there was three huge

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sting rays that are constant, visitors say they're massive,

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and they just Hoover along the bottom, picking up all the fish

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and baits.

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Matt Waters: Those convenient little chaps that just disturb

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all the silt when you're trying to take macro shots

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Jayne Jenkins: cause the biggest load of crap you could ever see.

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Matt Waters: Yeah, yeah. How long have you been diving there

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then?

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Jayne Jenkins: I learned to dive originally in 19. Hot do I

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really want to say 1972? It was back in Wales. And I didn't

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really finish the course. Because back then, yeah, I was a

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lot younger. And you carried the tanks for people basically to

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show that you could be fit enough to do it. And for six

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months, I think I carried tanks. I did about three dives. And

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when I came to Australia, I actually came surfing. I was

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weird, a lot surfing in Wales, where I lived, and I used to go

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surfing. But Australia, they hated female surfers back in 73.

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If you're a female surfer in the water, you'd get abused and

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screamed at. But I saw these signs come diving and go wow,

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you know, well, I've done that. I can go along and I got talked

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into upgrading my BTech to a paddy and swap from surfing to

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diving.

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Don Silcock: Yeah. So when did you discover child obey? When

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did you first sort of late 70s? Really? Have you seen that

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change over the years? Yes. Have you got better I'll get worse.

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No,

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Jayne Jenkins: it's it's it's interesting because at one stage

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we used to dive more on the plunge side. There used to be a

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dive shop there called plunge so it's where Sims is and we used

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to always dive that side. But now that side is such a mess.

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There's nothing there. Which is that where the Navy peers on

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that side?

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Don Silcock: Go up on the top there. That's where it would

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plunge wasn't it? Yeah. And it was a that was a talk about

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carrying tanks. That was an exercise to get down with it

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with the restaurants and the cuff. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,

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Jayne Jenkins: we actually did a walkathon there. Six of us I was

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conned into it. I come back from the UK and I can't remember who

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it was it rang me with those day veracity or Oh, what was his

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name? Somebody else rang me anyway. And they said, Oh, we're

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doing a walkathon down chowder bay we walk in 100 ks underwater

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we need lots of people to do it. Oh yeah. I'm happy to go down

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there and walk okay. So signed up for it and yeah, so far where

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are you need to come and practice. Oh, right. Okay, came

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down. Then I found out six of us. So we did this underwater we

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got in the Guinness Book of Records and water 100k Walk for

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charity. And we did our debate. We started on the weeks

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we started about four o'clock on the Friday afternoon or you know

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maybe a little bit earlier and we finish on the Sunday

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afternoon and we did it in teams of two and we had a rope

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measuring it so we had to ring a bell we had a pulley in which it

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ring a bell every time we got to the end and there was somebody

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there logging it all and

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Don Silcock: I'd like to point out that you still friends with

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diversity as well

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Jayne Jenkins: I think it was a big number a halfway up the line

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and we had to keep jumping. He didn't move we had to keep

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jumping over him. So yeah, Chaturbate pocket quite intimate.

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Matt Waters: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's got a it's got his own

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dedicated group and page and stuff on social media.

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Jayne Jenkins: There's a lot more people going there now than

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it used to be, you'd never get lots of people. And luckily,

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there's quite a few groups that are doing cleanups. A lot of the

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dive shops have been quite good. You just got to explain to them

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don't take everything because creatures do live in rubbish.

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But yeah, it's, it was my saving grace through COVID. Yeah, I

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just snuck in on the 5k. Rim. And it was my saving grace. I

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could go down there. There just be two or three of us diving.

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Matt Waters: Yeah, we were fortunate enough as well. We're

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in the same boat. Literally. Just just inside the five county

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region. So we were down there quite a lot. Yeah, I like it.

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Jayne Jenkins: I like it. It's I love nighttime.

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Matt Waters: I don't know about that. past four o'clock in the

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afternoon. It's bedtime for me.

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Jayne Jenkins: But you got to do it on occasion. And yeah, if

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half the people knew what was down there, like the kids in the

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pool, if they knew those blue ringed octopus and things like

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that, they wouldn't be in there. But now, I think Don got it like

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it do didn't Yeah, it

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Don Silcock: was it was a bit of a sea change for me after I

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mean, I did it years ago, before we moved to Bali, and I was I

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was impressed by the you know, all the white sea horses that

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you could see the and there was some there's some great images

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taken down there of those seahorses and the acid so

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photogenic you know, the credible creatures. So yeah, you

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know, when I came back down to Sydney, and you know, contact

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your journal, first thing, she said, Come to childhood. And off

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we went, you know, so it was a regular thing for for quite some

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time there. Until, you know, we went into all the lockers on the

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other side of the city where I couldn't, you know, go there

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during the lockdown and what have you, but you did push

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Matt Waters: you 5k limit somewhat, I didn't because I saw

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the landscape photography you were doing and you'd pop up like

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one and a half k from my house

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Don Silcock: because you can't go out your borough that was the

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city of Sydney. And from Redfern that we just checked before a

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wedding. And I got stopped a couple of mornings but you did

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placement would come up to me but my for those who don't know,

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I'm into landscape geography. So you know, Sunrise is spectacular

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in Sydney. And that was another way of retaining my sanity

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during the Julian COVID was to you know, go and go and do some

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sunrises and what have you. And so no, I I'm a great believer in

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following the rules. And I didn't I didn't break any you

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can check you know. It seems like you were

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Matt Waters: Yeah, I'd look at the photos come up as like, a

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moment. I know that I know that view. It's like the kilometre,

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maybe a kilometre from from where we're living

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Jayne Jenkins: at pictures or tried to bake them up. I know

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where they live. They know.

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Matt Waters: Anyway, I like it. I've just in fact that box

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that's on the table is I've upgraded the macro lens for my

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Canon M six. So I've gone from 60 mil to 100 mil. Alright, so

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this here is the port extension just sent down from Chris and

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the boys underwater Australia. Some you'll probably see me and

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chowder Bay next week, Jane just playing around with it getting

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very scratchy, heavy.

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Don Silcock: You're now in the presence of best guide. She

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knows the area on the back of her hand will show you stuff

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that you you just don't know is that yeah,

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Matt Waters: well, I must admit, I've lost count of how many

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times I've dived there. And you know, I used to diver with Simon

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a lot. And we found one frog fish every now and then. Brock

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keeps saying all these different coloured frog fish off. And I'm

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like, Holy shit, where are these little motherfuckers? You know?

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Jayne Jenkins: What it's? Yeah, somebody said to me the other

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day, how can you find all this stuff? And well, number one, I'm

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probably in the water a lot more than you. But it's it's luck. I

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could be swimming across the sand, you know, sort of here and

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Don could be over there. He'll see something I won't because

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I'm that far away. So it's just like, it really is like but the

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frog fish. There's three down there that I know of at the

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moment and they have moved for two months at least because I

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haven't told anybody where they are.

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Matt Waters: Yeah. That really big fat dude, just he still

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left. He was fishing this morning. Oh my God. He lifted

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him to put anything.

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Jayne Jenkins: No. He was unbelievable. I just swam past

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that Like what the hell is that? I thought he had another I

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thought he was having a little bit of a gampang net from fish.

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And I saw shit he's been eating. That's, you know, he's just huge.

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Matt Waters: Yeah, I would just think it was it was it bill? I

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don't know. Was it bill he got the videographer, the video

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shots of frog fish eat in. I think it was a soul or a flat

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fish or something like no,

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Jayne Jenkins: I don't think it was Bill. I can't remember it.

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But I saw that. Yeah, that was I think that was a night dive.

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Yeah,

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Matt Waters: it's amazing how much food they can get in one

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mouth in one bite.

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Jayne Jenkins: I think they can put something in their mouth

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that is 10 times bigger than their body size. I actually did a

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Don Silcock: there's a party speciality for frogfish and

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Jane's got it.

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Jayne Jenkins: Okay, it was a bit of a bank, but I didn't want

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a badge. I didn't want the card. I was going to the Philippines

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and somebody told me about this frog fish course you could do

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and the guy called himself Dr. Frog fish. His name's Daniel.

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And he said I do

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Don Silcock: t shirts. Yeah. Oh, there was on the boat on trips.

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There were some people who lived in delegates around around

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demagogy. Yeah, and he had all these T shirts with Dr.

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frogfish, you know, to

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Jayne Jenkins: do the course you know it was any I think it was

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two afternoons a theory and you still got to dive and it was one

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of the best courses I've ever done. He went back to the

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history frogfish and he had pallets of I think they would

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call that in those days. Or it shows a black and white drawing

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from old semen that had seen frog fish in the water. And that

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went back to 1647 or something. And then there was a coloured

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one, which was the 1800s and then he taught us all the

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different types of frog fish that behaviour how to find them

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why they on their breeding habits. How different ones have

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different ways of giving birth Lane eggs. You

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Matt Waters: remember all this then? Yeah, okay. What little

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bits of it? Let's let's go with a yawning bit because I mean,

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I've got I've got some exceptionally sexy photos of an

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Ambien. frogfish yawning, I've been told so many things about

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the yawn. There's some that I believe there's some that I

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think is horseshit. What do you know about the Yalova frogfish.

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Jayne Jenkins: They're either digesting food they've eaten,

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and they're gulping air to digest food. They're angry. That

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was another reason. And they just sort of given off a

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warning, then they're not happy. And the other one was just when

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they swim Gulpin in there. Yeah,

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Matt Waters: that's what I thought because I kind of

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thought it all the people I've talked to dive in recent years

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when it's when it's frogfish kind of regions. I've said lo as

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soon as the dude starts to yawn, if it gets to a second yawn back

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off and leave him alone, because he's getting a bit pissed off

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with you with the camera.

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Jayne Jenkins: Yeah, it's that's a hard one because they'll yawn

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once. And if you see them yawn once you know that one yawn is

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quite long. They're generally you on two or three times after.

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Okay, but that is a yawn when they digesting food apparently.

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Okay, so but this guy, the smart, you know, the big fat guy

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down there. He's just got his mouth permanently.

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He was amazing. And then he went, you know, he jumped off

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his perch and went fishing. Really? Greedy bugger.

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Matt Waters: So how did you get from Wales to here because I'm

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in ship. We've all we've all moved here in one way or the old

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way that the ship?

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Jayne Jenkins: Yeah, it was a 10 pompom loss of the 10 pound

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bombs, really pretty well. bullshitted by way into the

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passage, the girlfriend and I went to where I come from the

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closest city is Swansea, and they were doing a documentary

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on, you know, showing on Australia and immigration. And

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we had some friends out here that was surfing. So we went

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along to see and we both laughed, and we're leaving

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because that's crazy. You know, it's not like that. And somebody

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by the door said, Do you know you live in you're not

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interested in that. Because those men you know, long white

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socks and shorts to go to work. They look stupid. And he said,

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Oh, no, it isn't like that. It's no video, you know, you

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interested in going and we both said, Oh yeah, we didn't have

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enough money to get back to Europe. Sure. And it was 10

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quid, 10 quid. And they we had to fill in forms and we sent

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forms off to London. Then we had to do an interview. And then I

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got a telegram to say, I was saying, Say delivered on

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horseback I was sailing on March the first which was in David

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stay on the Ellen nets. So

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Matt Waters: what year was that? 73 Bloody hell. I was still in

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the womb

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Jayne Jenkins: I did I bloody hate it. I bet you do. You fill

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in forms and dive shops and instructors looking at you. Oh,

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I wasn't born

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Matt Waters: like I get it now even you know I'm vastly younger

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than you two clearly with my stunning good looks. But yeah,

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you got the sideways look and it's like, oh God, we got

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another old bugger on board.

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Jayne Jenkins: And you know, I go on dive boats and I wanted to

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help the poor old lady. Yes. And

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Matt Waters: then you get in the water. And I humbled very

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quickly.

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Jayne Jenkins: Oh, are you sure you want to do this dive? You

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know, you did one this morning.

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Matt Waters: So do you as you said that you don't travel that

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much, but I get to get away.

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Jayne Jenkins: I used to travel a lot. I worked in travel for a

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long time and I used to travel a lot but during COVID While we

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went down to South Australia, didn't we we did a lot of

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Matt Waters: fun on the Rodney Fox

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Don Silcock: did like Eddie Berg and we did well. And we'll see

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what was the other one we can be to meet and yeah, so we both

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like Keynes South Australian gardens you know we'd like to be

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one is a jetty jetty.

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Matt Waters: Is that one for the leafy seadragons? Yeah, you can

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get

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Don Silcock: you get them? No, yeah. I wasn't that impressed

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with three

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Jayne Jenkins: quarters of an hour drive from Romney foxes

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boat. So if you've got a day, you know, and you're not going

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to eat at Burger anywhere else. Yeah, there's a possibility.

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You'll see them. They're not sure. Yeah, I have seen them

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there on numerous occasions. But it's not the prettiest of the

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jetties down there. Yeah, it's just quite convenient.

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Matt Waters: I think I'm, it's on my radar for next year.

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Jayne Jenkins: I'm going down there. Eight, no, 12th of June.

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No, I'm gonna do the come fish and then going across three.

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Matt Waters: Well, I'd love to come with you. But I'm going to

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Indonesia while I'm visiting your homeland in Bali, and then

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across to Nusa Penida. Yeah, I'm gonna go and have a look at a

00:22:25
dive shop over there with the view to possibly purchasing it.

00:22:31
And then there's a secondary option which is up in Ahmed. So

00:22:35
I'm gonna go and have a look at that one as well. To Greg Nice.

00:22:38
Yeah. So it's the first proper holiday that me and the missus

00:22:41
have had for Well, obviously, two, two and a half years so

00:22:45
kind of looking forward to getting some warmer weather and

00:22:47
some nice flowing currents and a bit of activity.

00:22:50
Jayne Jenkins: I've just come back from Fiji from the

00:22:52
ballparks. Oh, really? Yeah.

00:22:54
Matt Waters: How does that go? In fact, we're about to Fiji

00:22:57
Pacific harbour

00:22:59
Jayne Jenkins: Bangor adventure divers?

00:23:01
Matt Waters: Do you see Tiger Sharks as well.

00:23:03
Jayne Jenkins: They don't sort of they run quite differently.

00:23:06
They set up shark Reef Marine Reserve. And microns are very

00:23:13
different operation to the others. They concentrate mostly

00:23:16
on the bull sharks. The bait is taken out there before the boat

00:23:20
goes out in the morning. And it's you get other sharks there.

00:23:25
But occasionally, you'll get a tiger where if you go across the

00:23:29
island, that's where you get the tiger sharks. Okay. So it's, you

00:23:33
know, two different experiences basically,

00:23:35
Matt Waters: all the way there for two weeks. Nice and just

00:23:39
just shut diving or do

00:23:40
Jayne Jenkins: you know I went on a boat.

00:23:44
Matt Waters: Okay, which one? It was the chairman about or should

00:23:48
we just know the you're on a little tin cup.

00:23:53
Jayne Jenkins: It was a cruise boat more than anything. It was

00:23:56
the reef encounter. I think it was called Captain Cook cruises.

00:24:00
So it's not a dedicated dive vessel. It was for people that

00:24:04
have got families and maybe dad wants to dive on mum wants to

00:24:06
live like a floating hotel. Yeah, but we did go up brown to

00:24:10
have uni and the northern areas which was lovely. It just wasn't

00:24:18
not a dedicated dive boat. Yeah,

00:24:21
Matt Waters: well, let's dive in and it's way it's a little bit

00:24:23
of a vacation.

00:24:25
Jayne Jenkins: It was it was pleasant to be away pleasant to

00:24:27
have warm water.

00:24:28
Matt Waters: So yeah, I'd like to say we're gonna get warm

00:24:30
water in no bad how to it's it's gonna be slightly warmer. In

00:24:34
fact, it's gonna be a lot warmer than here. Was it this morning?

00:24:37
Jayne Jenkins: It was 1818 dropped a bit.

00:24:42
Matt Waters: throbbed dropped.

00:24:44
Jayne Jenkins: But yeah, Rob does Rob did warm water.

00:24:48
Matt Waters: And you're, well go do any cycle trip on Saturday.

00:24:53
Alex, that one?

00:24:54
Don Silcock: That's so it's it's four weeks in India in total

00:24:57
three weeks of Riding motorcycles Wait stop in go till

00:25:03
the dark and then into the sweaty Valley and then we go

00:25:06
into this remote Valley College Zanskar you can only get in

00:25:09
there like two months of the year and riding into the summer

00:25:14
be warned don't expect any luxuries. You know, it's it's

00:25:17
very basic but it's spectacular.

00:25:20
Matt Waters: You tuck in your butler with

00:25:26
Don Silcock: then and then the fourth week is we're going to

00:25:29
swing again as we've got a houseboat to go on the lake.

00:25:33
Which should be should be interesting. Yeah. And then I'm

00:25:37
back down here then I'm going down to South Australia. We're

00:25:40
going to do the end of the cuttlefish season and then we're

00:25:43
going to do put us put up one shots on the on the Spencer

00:25:49
golf, about halfway down and dive there. Last year, it's a

00:25:56
really nice Yeti. It's, it's not as good. He's not as good as 80s

00:26:02
but you don't get the leafy sir. No, but it does have some really

00:26:05
nice stuff on the pillows and all the rest of it.

00:26:08
Jayne Jenkins: Lovely macro there. Yeah, Ed Bankson.

00:26:11
Don Silcock: So we're gonna do like about four days that way

00:26:14
I'll and then three days support us. And then I'm going back up

00:26:18
to Bel Air and I'm going over to Penida for a friend of mine

00:26:21
who's coming in from from France. And we've, we, you know,

00:26:27
I've known him for years and we've diver at his place in

00:26:29
Indonesia together and daughter team is that and she's coming

00:26:31
in. And we're going to have four days and Penita

00:26:35
Matt Waters: Have you organised Are you diving with it?

00:26:38
Don Silcock: Not Yeah, we booked accommodation but the probably

00:26:42
mumble where is the is who we're looking at. But you know, you

00:26:48
really need to establish you need to be known to be able to

00:26:51
get on the best sites, but it's my man who's

00:26:55
Matt Waters: looking right across the table. My one of my

00:26:57
best mates owns a dive shop. Really? Yeah. I'll hook you up.

00:27:01
Okay, brilliant. It's big shout out to JC was on the on the

00:27:05
first season and he he owns and runs blue corn and there's a

00:27:10
Don Silcock: polygon. Yeah, so well I'm just down the road. I'm

00:27:12
just literally just like across the beach from him and

00:27:15
Matt Waters: what you said oh my not ask a Santi

00:27:19
Don Silcock: No, I can't remember now I just booked it

00:27:20
last year. I can't remember.

00:27:22
Matt Waters: Now but yeah, I'll hook you up with Jace.

00:27:24
Don Silcock: Do we do we do we premiere?

00:27:28
Matt Waters: Oh, yeah. Yeah. But so yeah, we did. Ivan is

00:27:32
exceptionally good fun. And Nick and sooner the dive pros that

00:27:37
work for him. We used to work together in Thailand. You'll

00:27:41
have a great time. The lovely Iran. You'll fit in like you

00:27:48
Unknown: fit like a glove. A white glove.

00:27:54
Don Silcock: I got back from dead and then I'm going to

00:27:57
Mexico for the crocodiles did it about four, three years ago. But

00:28:03
I want to go back and get some specific images. And then I'm

00:28:06
going down to Argentina for the Southern Right whales.

00:28:11
Matt Waters: Oh, you bet. Yeah. That one's the one that's been

00:28:13
delayed for so long. Yeah.

00:28:14
Don Silcock: But both those trips were from 2020. So this is

00:28:19
on the Valdez Peninsula in Patagonia. And

00:28:23
Jayne Jenkins: that would the, the orcas come up on the beach.

00:28:26
Nice. Further,

00:28:27
Don Silcock: further south. This is this is like, it's kinda like

00:28:30
it's a bit like Harvey Bay is for the humpbacks, or whatever.

00:28:34
You know, it's like a sheltered area where the southern rights

00:28:38
come in with many females and with the Cavs and apparently

00:28:43
they're really easy to approach you know, they're coming to you

00:28:47
and so yeah, we'll see but it's obviously a bit bit chilly and

00:28:51
Jayne Jenkins: phallus has been there and done it. Yeah.

00:28:55
Matt Waters: Who Died diving within Mexico who's doing the

00:28:57
crocodiles,

00:28:58
Don Silcock: that's shellac dive centre is who it's run through.

00:29:04
So they organise the logistics to get you out there and you

00:29:07
stay at the bottom the fisherman's hearts the profit

00:29:10
details is the call which is like, basic.

00:29:14
Matt Waters: Yeah, basically like for little fishing hurts.

00:29:17
Don Silcock: The lights are hot on the stills. And you know that

00:29:21
the only water is what they get, you know, rainwater, and you're

00:29:27
basically sleeping hammocks. So you two nights out there. By the

00:29:32
time you come back, you feel like, you know, you feel like a

00:29:35
paperclip. Like your pretzels or something, you know, because you

00:29:40
you don't sleep very well. And, but it's pretty exciting stuff.

00:29:43
Getting in first time in the water with the crocodiles is

00:29:46
like, you know, nerve wracking and it's scarier than sharks,

00:29:50
isn't it? Yeah, very much. So.

00:29:53
Matt Waters: Really? I must admit, I would love to do it

00:29:56
just for the photography element. Yeah, but I do Laughter

00:30:00
anticipation and like, when you die with sharks, you can kind of

00:30:03
read what they're gonna do with a crocodile.

00:30:06
Don Silcock: Now there's no word

00:30:08
Matt Waters: in big teeth. When it's gonna move,

00:30:11
Don Silcock: it's this intense kinetic energy on a coiled

00:30:14
spring, you don't know when the springs are gonna go. So you

00:30:17
know, you just don't know. And the rep I didn't know at this

00:30:21
time is only after winter. After my first trip then I did some

00:30:25
articles on it and I've read up about the American crocodile.

00:30:28
That's why the American crocodiles which are saltwater

00:30:30
crocodile, but they, they, they will attack on the land, but the

00:30:35
pound you know, there's no the almost non recorded incidents of

00:30:42
attacking in the water. Really? Yeah. But you know, you wonder

00:30:45
if, you know, you've met the one who didn't get the memo. You

00:30:48
know. There's just no sign there look at you know, the comment

00:30:54
and the US completely immobile, but they, they move fast to what

00:30:59
Yeah, but there's this intense kinetic energy there that just

00:31:02
waiting to explode and

00:31:03
Matt Waters: and designed to do? Yeah, yeah, it's

00:31:06
Don Silcock: scary. First time I was I got underwater, I was

00:31:10
really scared, you know, not knowing what to expect. And

00:31:15
anyway, so that's, that's, that's actually gone and gone

00:31:19
from there, straight down to Buenos Aires and out to Peru to

00:31:23
sort of remember the name on the Valdez? Yeah. For the southern

00:31:27
rights.

00:31:28
Matt Waters: Okay, what, when? When's that one month in August,

00:31:31
August, next year,

00:31:32
Don Silcock: this year, this year? So that's the, you know, I

00:31:36
do Binita and and come back down. And we can Australia. And

00:31:40
then and then go to the US.

00:31:44
Matt Waters: And what's what's Mrs. Dunn doing? Is she staying

00:31:46
there? Or are you going to

00:31:47
Don Silcock: rally at the moment? We're trying to get, you

00:31:50
know, her key tasks kicked up a residence visa, she had one and

00:31:57
because of COVID all expired, so we have to go through all the

00:31:59
rigmarole of reapplying and it's it's just painful, what you have

00:32:05
to do and but anyway, is progressing. And you know, so

00:32:11
hopefully in the next month or so she'll get the residence

00:32:15
visa, which is makes it all easy going in and out, you know,

00:32:18
otherwise you get on the 30 day visa thing. Visa on arrival, and

00:32:22
you can extend that once. But you got to go out. Yeah. Which

00:32:26
is a pain.

00:32:27
Matt Waters: They're not do in endota They're not do the

00:32:29
retirement phase are the same as Thailand.

00:32:31
Don Silcock: Yeah. But I just didn't want to say it.

00:32:40
Matt Waters: I'm only a couple of years.

00:32:44
Don Silcock: You're eligible for 55? So yeah, yeah. But the wife

00:32:53
here, you know, so pleased.

00:32:56
Matt Waters: She doesn't listen, it's alright.

00:33:01
Don Silcock: You don't know. Don't take anyway. So yeah,

00:33:05
that's the it's a retirement visa. And it gives you what's

00:33:08
called a key tap, I think it's called as opposed to a key TAs.

00:33:12
And that allows you to come and go out and do what you want, you

00:33:17
know, we'll probably have to try and get mine next year because I

00:33:21
used to travel in that I'm a pet cat, which is brilliant. And in

00:33:24
a bad car for a long time. But that you know, expired you on

00:33:27
the pandemic as well. So, so yeah,

00:33:31
Matt Waters: you're not there, right? Yeah. All this travelling

00:33:33
you're doing Yeah, well, yeah. Vacation. So what's the point

00:33:37
fella?

00:33:37
Don Silcock: It's not it's not a big deal for me, you know, you

00:33:40
can get visa on arrival and you can extend that by 30 days. I

00:33:44
don't think I've spent I've ever been in a situation which meant

00:33:47
more than 60 days in Bali because I'm in an hour all the

00:33:49
time. But I tell you it was great to get back there. Yeah.

00:33:54
You know, you two years away you forget why you went there sort

00:33:58
of thing you know, it was like you settled back into Sydney and

00:34:01
all the rest of it. But I really enjoyed being back in Bali and

00:34:04
I've got some reestablish some connections with my favourite

00:34:09
liveaboard and I'm doing some stuff with them. Dean Yeah, so

00:34:15
all the liveaboard trips and have done in Indonesia been on

00:34:19
on on the Yandina

00:34:21
Jayne Jenkins: Ditas going out of valley now isn't it? Yeah all

00:34:24
its trips out of Valley.

00:34:25
Don Silcock: Yeah. I know Eddie quite well. I did a interviewed

00:34:29
him actually for an article about his life and everything is

00:34:32
really interesting gaiety from where he is. Did you know we

00:34:35
talked about it? No, no. So the if you look at the explorers of

00:34:43
the archipelago it's really quite interesting. If you just

00:34:48
concentrate on Roger ampere, the two people who really started

00:34:53
all Where's Eddie Eddie from? Well, he built the first ball

00:34:56
dippin detail and and then he went meno sailed into Raji

00:35:01
rampart, and he was the him and lever Larry Smashmouth. Yeah. On

00:35:04
his boat. So they were the first people who who explored by ball

00:35:11
and then the maxima was the first person who to set up a a,

00:35:16
you know, some on the on the islands it great. So I

00:35:21
interviewed him actually a couple of months ago really

00:35:24
interesting character a, you get him talking and he's like he's

00:35:28
just a natural, you know, just this stuff comes out and he

00:35:31
talks about things he's done and a big, I'm a big fan of Jared

00:35:35
Diamond. You know who Jared Diamond is he wrote, he's a

00:35:38
professor of UC Berkeley, and he's written the guns, germs and

00:35:42
steel collapse. Anyways, he's a very well travelled and very

00:35:46
well published, very well respected person who are writer

00:35:52
and professor who's talks about kind of evolution and you know,

00:35:57
any, any any factors in, you know, Roger ampere upon New

00:36:00
Guinea into all this really interesting when you read his

00:36:02
books, so I've talked to max. Oh, yeah. Jared, we've, we've

00:36:06
done several trips together. And we, you know, we got the

00:36:09
helicopter, then we went here, and we got, oh, my God, you

00:36:12
know, you don't have jealousy here. When you hear him talk

00:36:16
about the stuff that he's done. It's amazing. So yeah, so those

00:36:19
are the pioneers and Ricard, the guy who runs on Dena, he was

00:36:26
probably the third in the queue. He told me the story when they

00:36:29
built their boat 2022 years ago, it was at a URL Tim, he said,

00:36:33
wildlife try here and try that. I mean, it's a big place. Yeah.

00:36:36
You know where to go. Where do you die? Yeah. And so Edie had

00:36:41
done a lot of the pioneering and worked out, you know, where the

00:36:45
best sites were. And Max had worked out how to diagnose sites

00:36:49
in the Dumpy Australia. And both share information with were

00:36:53
recalled when he when he had he was like the third bought that.

00:36:56
I mean, he's like, it's like 100. Now.

00:36:59
Jayne Jenkins: Yeah. Yeah. And Larry Smith had such a good

00:37:01
reputation, especially with Americans. He brought a lot of

00:37:04
the American market and I remember being up there we were

00:37:07
on Valerie Taylor's nephew's boat, and Valerie likes a gin

00:37:11
and tonic. And we had about six bottles of gin, but we had no

00:37:15
tonic water. So we were drinking gin and lemons. And Larry came

00:37:19
past in his boat, and we did a deal. We gave him two bowls of

00:37:23
gin. 12 cans of tonic water.

00:37:29
Don Silcock: Mark Hayes, Valerie's he's another pioneer.

00:37:31
He's been there for years.

00:37:33
Matt Waters: All these names are dropping in you need to hook me

00:37:35
up man. I'm nomadic Scuba has opened up again. My travel

00:37:39
agency. Yeah. And these are names that I've not got on the

00:37:43
books I'm more than

00:37:45
Jayne Jenkins: about called 70s. He started off with Eveningstar

00:37:48
was the first one up there. And he's been up there for a long

00:37:53
time. And

00:37:55
Don Silcock: you know, there's a lot of people come in and they

00:37:58
they offer all these trips, but and they don't know it as well.

00:38:03
Jayne Jenkins: And damn it the Quran dama are better. That is a

00:38:08
beautiful Damn, it is the beautiful boat and

00:38:12
Matt Waters: well, you you've got to find the right people,

00:38:14
haven't you? Yeah, I'm just picking up on what you said that

00:38:17
I've done. And I've been on boats where it's it's very clear

00:38:20
that all they're doing is following the cattle. Yeah, they

00:38:22
have no bloody clue what they're doing. You know, they know how

00:38:25
to dive and all that kind of stuff. But they've

00:38:27
Jayne Jenkins: been with them for long and the crew don't know

00:38:29
what's at the dive sites. And yeah, you know, it's lovely to

00:38:34
have I love looking for stuff myself. But it's lovely to have

00:38:37
a guide that knows his way around the reef, it's the first

00:38:40
time then show you different little things that they know

00:38:44
Matt Waters: that's a thing. And if you're on a massive crossing

00:38:46
or something like that you're there for seven to 10 days, you

00:38:50
expect to see certain elements. And it's so disheartening when

00:38:55
you hit the dive site, and then you get a message from a mate

00:38:58
from another boat. Oh, well, the same. How did you see the

00:39:01
hammerhead shark? No. Did you see that? No. Yeah, come on.

00:39:06
Don Silcock: And you also need to you really need to know how

00:39:09
to dive Roger ampere on Yes, hold on, you know, where the

00:39:12
currents are, you need to know how to do that. And the guides

00:39:15
need to know and block you know, it's it's not just dropping into

00:39:19
doors. You know, will save environment is it basically and

00:39:25
I don't

00:39:26
Jayne Jenkins: like the guides that are like Edward

00:39:27
Scissorhands with their you know, they're pointers. They've

00:39:31
got so many bloody pointers 10 or 20. And you know, they're

00:39:35
move things and put things on like the put a new bank on

00:39:39
something new the bank doesn't live on, just for you to get a

00:39:42
good photo and well, no, I don't want that. Just leave it where

00:39:45
it is.

00:39:46
Matt Waters: I'm adamant about that as well. I refuse. Um, you

00:39:50
know, I'd go dive in to take photographs. Yes. But if someone

00:39:54
if a guide and I've had a couple of times, if they move Yeah,

00:39:58
subjects. I refuse to say that Photo when they got back on the

00:40:01
boat, why did you take it? Because you interfered, there was

00:40:05
Jayne Jenkins: one trip I did. And the guy was coming back. And

00:40:08
he had these black backgrounds and every photo that he had. And

00:40:12
I was looking where the different subjects were and

00:40:15
things like that. His guide had a black slate, yes. And was

00:40:19
putting everything on the black site for him instead into

00:40:22
learning how to take a photograph of the black

00:40:24
background, just putting everything on this slate for him

00:40:27
and doing poor, really.

00:40:31
Matt Waters: I've seen people use black sites, and I've used

00:40:32
them myself as well. But I don't, I don't put subjects on

00:40:36
the slate. If you if you can imagine some soft corals with

00:40:41
some really bright light behind it, I will generally put a

00:40:44
slight in the background just to assist with getting a cleaner

00:40:47
background. But as for moving subjects, it's for me, it's a

00:40:52
hard fast, no simple as

00:40:54
Jayne Jenkins: just don't do it. And you know, I've been upside

00:40:57
down inside out down at chowder to try to get a photo of

00:41:01
something because I hate moving them and we won't name a certain

00:41:06
person but you know, you see photos and you think well, I

00:41:11
didn't live there. I've

00:41:13
Matt Waters: got to be careful about name now. Yes. He just

00:41:14
said yeah.

00:41:16
Jayne Jenkins: And I've done photo competitions. And you

00:41:21
know, if people get into finals you asked for the raw image. And

00:41:24
when you see the image and you look at what they sent in you

00:41:28
think what

00:41:31
Matt Waters: what happened was there's so much post editing

00:41:34
There you go post shot editing you can do it's insane. I can

00:41:38
make a really shoot looking photo. Fantastic. Oh, I

00:41:41
Jayne Jenkins: can't get a photo. I'm stuffed. And tried to

00:41:47
teach me how to get rid of back scatter. I've got a folder at

00:41:52
home you know, Don's helpful hints. But it still doesn't work.

00:42:00
Matt Waters: Couple of things for you. There you go. Oh,

00:42:06
actually nice little cheeky little Scuba got my strap.

00:42:10
That's great. I've got some stickers in there as well. So

00:42:15
remind me before we go and you can have some fear for your

00:42:18
cars. Yeah, or your tanks, whatever you want to do. Thanks.

00:42:24
Anyone who wants a mass strike with a Scuba go on it? It's it's

00:42:27
available on the online store coming soon. Good to go. Thanks

00:42:31
for the

00:42:33
Jayne Jenkins: I Am I going in the chairman's lounge? Oh, yeah,

00:42:38
I'm fine. I'm fine with Haley down to South Australia. And

00:42:42
she's remembered the chairman's lounge.

00:42:44
Matt Waters: Oh my goodness, the chairman's lounge.

00:42:47
Don Silcock: Like the rarely say you can have were conscious. So

00:42:51
there's only one there's only one level higher. That's a

00:42:54
blowjob from the pilot. secondhand knowledge

00:43:03
Matt Waters: so it's Chairman's loud Chairman's lounge do so

00:43:06
yeah, I

00:43:09
Jayne Jenkins: don't know. It's above platinum and platinum

00:43:11
anywhere, but it's a hidden door. It's Sam,

00:43:13
Matt Waters: hold on a moment. Your uh, your platinum already.

00:43:17
So you do do a shit tonne of travelling?

00:43:19
Jayne Jenkins: Oh, I do. Yeah. I haven't.

00:43:21
Don Silcock: So if you put on platinum as well, so I'm

00:43:26
Matt Waters: gonna get the plus in.

00:43:28
Jayne Jenkins: Don't have plus life.

00:43:34
Don Silcock: That was my goal. But you know, I'm not there. But

00:43:38
the thing is, when you go, you know, there's like the there's

00:43:41
the checklist. First Class lounge, and then there's the

00:43:44
business class way, but you could find them you can go into

00:43:46
first class Lounge, which is really nice. You know, really

00:43:48
well done. But there's a secret don't have no idea what it is.

00:43:52
And but I read a really interesting article about the

00:43:55
chairman's lounge, so it doesn't matter who the fuck you are.

00:43:59
It's like, it's the, you know, that might what you're doing or

00:44:04
whatever. It's, it's a very specific invitation. Yeah. So

00:44:10
you know, you can kind of just earn it. It's not like, you

00:44:13
know, three gazillion points. It's like if you do, so it's

00:44:18
almost like a knighthood or something, you know, where

00:44:21
you've done something. And you've earned the entree into

00:44:28
that lounge, but it's the entry

00:44:30
Jayne Jenkins: of the entree.

00:44:34
Matt Waters: He's trying to be posh

00:44:36
Don Silcock: media. So you know, that's exactly how you get in.

00:44:42
God knows who's in there. I don't know what Yeah, it's very,

00:44:45
very, very rare.

00:44:46
Matt Waters: Just pull that microphone a little bit more.

00:44:49
Yeah, well, I'm starting to lean back. Recording. Oh, yeah. I'm

00:44:54
putting all of this in especially the bit about a pilot

00:44:56
and a blow job.

00:45:00
Don Silcock: Jane told me that

00:45:02
Matt Waters: he thinks I'm joking so I feel I feel like a

00:45:08
you know a pauper now I'm I'm gold and very comfortable going

00:45:11
in the business lounge and you know for travel with a message

00:45:14
that she's planning on so we go into the first lounge and that's

00:45:16
quite nice. I do like that. But Germans I didn't even know it

00:45:20
even existed. Do you have to shake hands with your left hand

00:45:25
and show your left nipple or something like that is not

00:45:28
Jayne Jenkins: Bolton addicts? I don't know.

00:45:32
Don Silcock: Could you be a bit more specific? I did well on

00:45:37
your map.

00:45:39
Matt Waters: Brilliant. That's all right. Well, we put it out

00:45:41
all I've got to do is put a little e episode.

00:45:47
Don Silcock: Well, it's I don't think I'll ever get

00:45:49
Jayne Jenkins: into the chairman. Oh, Collins so pissed

00:45:51
off.

00:45:53
Don Silcock: This used to be a source of much joviality in

00:45:56
between because I used to be at PBS with Singapore Airlines when

00:45:59
he was travelling in Asia privileged pools, right. So

00:46:03
anyway, it's the highest level ocean service. Yeah, I did I but

00:46:08
it's, it's very nice. You get into the first class lounge in

00:46:10
Singapore and whatever, you know, and they really make a big

00:46:14
fuss of you. To the point where it's my wife's favourite thing

00:46:19
in the world to go in business classes are realised lecture. We

00:46:23
get in there, we're all like is just happiness, you know,

00:46:29
happiness radiating out from the seat next to me. I don't have to

00:46:32
say a word. I mean, everything just like you know, she's, she's

00:46:35
there in a happy place. Like, but the the steward will come

00:46:37
back and it happened to me. First time it happened to me. I

00:46:40
fell for it. You know, the steward. Come back, he says, Mr.

00:46:43
Silcock? Yes. Were you on the Shanghai flight two weeks ago?

00:46:49
Well, it was actually Yeah, I thought it was you, you know. He

00:46:53
wasn't. They've got they've got. Yeah, right. But they do it.

00:46:58
Particularly if you're travelling with your wife, or

00:47:00
your girlfriend. I don't know, you know, but you know, if

00:47:03
you're travelling with you, with your partner sort of thing to

00:47:05
come back and make this big footage of you based on your

00:47:08
last flight, because you can't remember who it was pre works to

00:47:11
try it. You know, you're you're sort of like, levitating. Oh,

00:47:14
yeah, that was me. No, no, it's bullshit. Really, you know, it's

00:47:19
just, it's just a way of apple polishing. But it's very nice.

00:47:23
The first time happens second time you think? No, I know. And

00:47:26
I'm gonna fall into this one.

00:47:30
Matt Waters: There's a few years ago, I met before COVID.

00:47:32
Clearly, I dragged the missus into cattle class where I'm more

00:47:37
than happy. As long as I've got a bit of legroom, and the same

00:47:40
thing happened there. The head Stuart came across and welcomed

00:47:45
her on board and thank you for flying with Qantas, all that

00:47:47
kind of stuff. We'd like a bit of champagne, etc, etc. Because

00:47:50
she's platinum. So

00:47:52
Jayne Jenkins: it's nice. It works. Yeah, I upgraded Colin I

00:47:55
as a surprise back from off to South Africa and back from South

00:48:00
Africa. So I had pile of points and from business to first it's

00:48:03
not that any points. But I do a nice surprise and upgraded us to

00:48:08
first and when we got them. Oh, welcome back to Jenkins. Sure,

00:48:16
Matt Waters: well, I've got my points from prior to COVID. And

00:48:20
I've got to go back to the UK in July because my old man is

00:48:24
having a major, major knee surgery in the lives on his own.

00:48:27
So I'm gonna go back and play nurse and beam up a bit. Okay,

00:48:32
well, I was born just north of Liverpool. Okay.

00:48:36
Jayne Jenkins: Not far from

00:48:37
Matt Waters: Yeah. And then but my dad is originally from

00:48:40
Canada. So he lives in Kent now. So I need to go back for a few

00:48:43
weeks and look after him and help him out. And then it's a

00:48:47
long flight to the UK from here. So I kind of looked at the

00:48:50
points and kind of grow greater business on the points here. But

00:48:56
then we've got the Galapagos trip next year. And it's an even

00:49:00
longer flight. So I think I'm gonna torture myself to the UK

00:49:05
and and just put it with rigour Mortis and the asshole in front

00:49:09
that doubles their seatback kind of thing and save up for the

00:49:13
Galapagos trip. Because that's, that's how long

00:49:17
Jayne Jenkins: which way you're going

00:49:19
Matt Waters: will probably go via Dallas, Florida and Florida,

00:49:22
Dallas, something. I know you can go through South America and

00:49:27
it's cheaper and that kind of thing. But I tend to I like to

00:49:31
stick with the mainstream airlines

00:49:33
Jayne Jenkins: flying to San Diego. Yeah. Are they? No,

00:49:35
Don Silcock: no. Just booked for to go to Mac. I'm going through

00:49:39
Dallas Fort Worth. Yeah, that's 1717 out. I think it is

00:49:43
Jayne Jenkins: a great fight.

00:49:44
Don Silcock: Yeah, you know, it's a long flight when you can

00:49:46
get drunk three times. Yeah.

00:49:49
Jayne Jenkins: I was told with Qantas the Dallas fight because

00:49:53
it's such a long flight. They don't fill the aircraft with

00:49:57
passengers because they've got to take a checkup Upload a fuel.

00:50:01
Yes. So you're always going to get empty seats, you're not

00:50:06
going to have a full flight,

00:50:08
Matt Waters: then this is why I was saying the thing that you

00:50:10
know, save the points open and upgrade. I mean, the missus will

00:50:12
automatically be business offer something like that because you

00:50:16
know, platinum, probably plus as well. And then we moved on but

00:50:21
for me cattle class, I'm quite happy to go into business we did

00:50:25
it. Last time we did Galapagus we came back via business,

00:50:28
because jazz. Bless her, we left, Dallas flew back here

00:50:33
landed at 10 past six in the morning. And she went straight

00:50:37
to the office. She couldn't have done that if we'd have stayed

00:50:40
in. Yeah, in economy. For business class, she could, you

00:50:44
know, could stretch out and spark out for a good 1012 hours.

00:50:49
Jayne Jenkins: I've come to an age in life where I've done it

00:50:50
tough all those years. And you know if I can afford it now I'm

00:50:56
going to be a little bit more comfortable. And by the time you

00:50:58
pay your excess luggage with Scuba diving gear and everything

00:51:01
you have for each business.

00:51:04
Matt Waters: Exactly. So I'm kind of relying on the the

00:51:10
points and the gold status, but it seems like I'm way down the

00:51:14
list. Now if there's a Chairman's club as well.

00:51:17
Don Silcock: I don't think you know, that's really rare. It's

00:51:25
not the fact that there's like a secret door and password. Yeah.

00:51:33
Matt Waters: Well, you go for that trip in

00:51:35
Jayne Jenkins: South Australia. Okay. And then I'm going to

00:51:37
Ken's I'm doing the minkeys indiennes. Content. Thank you,

00:51:41
Matt Waters: Martin on last week who was talking about the monkey

00:51:43
Wales? Okay, first Cooper iKey.

00:51:47
Jayne Jenkins: They're beautiful. I love monkey Wales.

00:51:50
Only Whale that will come and find you.

00:51:53
Matt Waters: That's what he was saying. Yeah, just laying on the

00:51:55
line and just saying, Wait, yeah,

00:51:56
Jayne Jenkins: they'll come to the boat, the boat. You know,

00:51:58
you'll cruise around up at reefs, when the monkey whales

00:52:01
will come to the boat and they'll just play and it's

00:52:06
amazing.

00:52:07
Matt Waters: So do you just thinking about photography?

00:52:10
Because I know we're close to a cane on it. Do you obviously

00:52:13
take camera underwater with you? What were you shooting with?

00:52:15
Jayne Jenkins: I've just changed to mirrorless gun the Zed six

00:52:20
two. And I sorta housings.

00:52:23
Matt Waters: What is that? Stick to? Nick on? You're in that part?

00:52:27
Jayne Jenkins: I'm in that party? Sorry. Yeah. I'm loving

00:52:30
it. Yeah,

00:52:32
Matt Waters: I find it I've what was the previous one they were

00:52:33
using?

00:52:34
Jayne Jenkins: D 800. And the C cam housing. Yeah. So it was I

00:52:41
was happy with the D 800. I knew it inside out but it was the

00:52:43
weight factor. You know when you get to my age and you go camera,

00:52:47
you've got to carry in. It's heavy. I wanted to go lighter

00:52:50
and slightly smaller if I could. Yeah. So it took me a long time

00:52:54
didn't it to fiddle around and think because I was changing

00:52:59
housings as well. I had the opportunity to go Canon to go

00:53:03
Sony whatever. But I stuck with the Nikon and I went the Zed

00:53:09
six, two. And yeah, I've been really happy with it and the

00:53:13
Isotta housing small it's light. Yeah,

00:53:18
Matt Waters: I saw those kind of kind of viewers like the Ferrari

00:53:22
of it's read. Just look sexy. Don't they didn't

00:53:28
Jayne Jenkins: see what's on the back. Yeah, it was. No, I can't

00:53:32
complain about it at all. I'm loving it. It's still I'm still

00:53:35
learning it. You know, your brain is when you've used a

00:53:39
camera for 10 years, your brain just automatically knows which

00:53:42
buttons depressant to change. And I find I still have to look

00:53:47
occasionally. But frogfish the other day I've never used the

00:53:50
video on the camera and people saying to me yeah, that cameras

00:53:53
really good for video. You should try that. I thought well,

00:53:56
how would you do that? I'm just looking at this frog fish up.

00:53:59
Push the switch the video.

00:54:02
Matt Waters: That was it. That was it. You didn't call a

00:54:03
balance or anything like that. It looks really good.

00:54:07
Jayne Jenkins: So you know it was? Yeah, I'm really impressed

00:54:10
with it. So it's a much lighter set up. When I travelled to Fiji

00:54:17
with my Pelican case, I'm normally struggling to get it

00:54:21
under 32 kilos. I think it was 24 kilos.

00:54:25
Matt Waters: Okay, so well you do know that. If you're

00:54:29
travelling on a flight and you take a camera bag and tell them

00:54:32
it's camera equipment, they completely ignore it and

00:54:36
disregard it even though you can take it on as as carry on. They

00:54:40
effectively treat it as a lady's purse. A big one. I've taken 11

00:54:45
kilos of camera equipment.

00:54:47
Jayne Jenkins: I did have somebody in kilos pan luggage as

00:54:49
well. We go to the airport.

00:54:58
Don Silcock: Yeah, I could tell you some stories about carry on

00:55:01
over the years but the you know, it's it's one of those things

00:55:05
it's it's

00:55:06
Jayne Jenkins: checking you in as well, isn't it? Yeah, from

00:55:09
hell or you get

00:55:10
Don Silcock: and I swear by just being polite and humble and

00:55:15
don't you know and you can usually get away with stuff and

00:55:21
one of the reasons I work out a lot is so I can stand out which

00:55:24
me backpacks weightless fell over couldn't get over my key

00:55:31
with my carry on sometimes it's 25 keel Yeah, with everything

00:55:35
I've got. And so I was keeping a backpack on your on my back and

00:55:39
stand there as if it's weightless, you know, and

00:55:42
visible. Yeah. And then I've got like another small roll on with

00:55:46
me housing and reports. And

00:55:52
Jayne Jenkins: when you go to have to lift it

00:55:58
Matt Waters: Don's gonna take a step ladder to get up to

00:56:01
Don Silcock: 25 to two kilos a step. It's, it's just part of

00:56:08
the thing, you know, my older stuff I took with me, but if you

00:56:13
go into these places, and you know, you're taking photographs,

00:56:18
it's just the way it is, you know,

00:56:20
Matt Waters: I'm so looking forward to endo and let's say

00:56:24
can pop down to Mosman and do the macro bet, but I've not

00:56:29
excuse me. Apart from the quick trip to Thailand, I've not had

00:56:32
much chance to play around with my camera underwater. And I've

00:56:36
got mirrorless the same as the canon and same reasons. I had a

00:56:40
canon. Compact beforehand, the g7 X mark two and fantasyland

00:56:47
housings. And I've moved on to I stuck with Canon because that

00:56:52
second nature feel that knowing how it all works, and I'm sure

00:56:56
throughout Don's many, many, many, many, many years with Nick

00:57:00
on he's done the same. And it's the the M six is it's so small

00:57:07
and compact, and it can just do so much more. I know gonna fuck

00:57:12
up a lot of photos, but I know there's going to be one or two

00:57:15
that are just going to make it all worthwhile. And I can't wait

00:57:18
to see it really can't.

00:57:20
Don Silcock: Well, I've just got to jump in and tell you about

00:57:22
I'm gonna tell you about the because it all came together for

00:57:26
me in the Philippines I prior to just prior to COVID, I was

00:57:33
forced to how was My da 50. Because my was previously that I

00:57:39
would have been using a D 500 reward without and I just abused

00:57:43
his phone to be able to go into a full service with no one

00:57:46
account which you know, takes about three months. It goes back

00:57:49
like a new housing. But you know, it has to go all the way

00:57:52
back to Shen's anything is where the factory is. And to be

00:57:55
effectively completely refurbished. Fantastic job got

00:57:59
brand new when it comes back. But you went out for three

00:58:02
months. So I already had to do 50. And so he was like, Well,

00:58:06
I've got these trips booked. So I bought a housing for the DFT.

00:58:12
And I've got the wide angle conversion pole, which you

00:58:15
probably don't know what it is, but it's like a special, it's

00:58:19
your huge thing. He weighed about three kilos which optical

00:58:22
glass support that. And I got that just before the pandemic

00:58:28
and I use it on one trip, but I was still getting my head around

00:58:31
it. I've used it a bit here in Australia, but not on an

00:58:35
intensive thing like you do where you don't know liveaboard

00:58:37
you dive in, you know, four times a day and all the rest of

00:58:39
it. So, and then I've got these Italian stalls one on one

00:58:45
underwater stalls, which I bought a few years ago, but I

00:58:47
sent back to Italy in November last year to get the firmware

00:58:51
upgraded. So they do high speed sync, which is absolutely

00:58:57
phenomenal. It's I'm so excited about the results of it because

00:59:02
it means you can see, you wouldn't use it underwater, but

00:59:05
you can sink up to 1/8000 of a second that that the normal

00:59:09
limitation is to one 250 Yeah, I think there's that 60 is one

00:59:12
200. So I found the combination of the the wide angle conversion

00:59:19
port with the da 50. The image quality, the pixel quality was

00:59:25
astounding and the ability to you know, dial in high shutter

00:59:31
speeds and get dramatic, dark blue backgrounds and the stoves

00:59:36
will still punch through and light the foreground was some of

00:59:41
the best images I've ever taken with this. I would just

00:59:45
Matt Waters: was the bad boy that you're using down in an

00:59:48
essay when you're on the road. defox

00:59:50
Don Silcock: No, no, no, you wouldn't do that. The wide angle

00:59:55
the convertible is about $5 Who are you? Yeah. So the thing

00:59:58
is you're going to get dinged again Ah, yeah, so you just

01:00:01
wouldn't take it in, you know, I wouldn't take it in the cage,

01:00:04
you're gonna you're gonna get dinged the glass and to know so

01:00:10
i, this was the first full full on liveaboard trip where I was

01:00:14
dialled in for four dives a day for like, you know, to trips and

01:00:20
really got into this, this combination is a killer

01:00:24
combination. I'm just like, astounded with the quality of

01:00:27
the best I've ever done. Really? Yeah. It's it's, it's, I was

01:00:32
just astounded with the, with the results.

01:00:36
Jayne Jenkins: You use like like you? I do?

01:00:38
Matt Waters: Yes. Yeah, it's the thing with the M six, the Canon

01:00:43
M six, mark two is that it's very limited on what is

01:00:49
available to take it underwater. And Ikelite was the one that

01:00:52
stood out. And, you know, a child fought back and forth with

01:00:55
Chris up in digital hands. Yeah, he's great. Fantastic. Yeah, so

01:01:04
clued up with what you need. It was just a no brainer. So

01:01:08
Jayne Jenkins: and the housing doesn't take the image. It's

01:01:11
exactly they they say to me, oh, what I was into I've got a

01:01:16
limited budget. Well, you're hurting doesn't take your image

01:01:18
to spend more in the camera in your lenses. And, you know, I

01:01:22
client have been around for years and years, years and years

01:01:25
ago, I was the ambassador for Olympus cameras. And it was when

01:01:30
they first brought out remember the dog camera and things like

01:01:33
that when they first brought out and they gave me it was their

01:01:36
SLR an E three. And they gave me an Olympus housing that went

01:01:40
with it, but never had all the bits that you could go

01:01:44
underwater and take a decent photo is always something

01:01:47
missing. And I actually bought an Ikelite housing for it. Yeah,

01:01:52
until I got caught down Shelly Beach one day with them. I was

01:01:55
coming out of the water and the head of Olympus in Australia.

01:02:00
Oh, Jane. Oh, hello. I glide have just made a housing for

01:02:06
your cameras. I'm just trying to but I needed the images to give

01:02:14
them but I couldn't use the housing. Remember, but Olympus

01:02:18
have come ahead and leaps and bounds

01:02:20
Matt Waters: are amazing. You look at some of the photos that

01:02:22
are coming through now especially on the macro front.

01:02:25
Jayne Jenkins: Still swear their lenses are the best glass lenses

01:02:31
I have. It's amazing. Looking at how many years ago was it? The

01:02:34
Olympus Ambassador 15 years? Yeah, at least 15 years. And I

01:02:39
look back at macro photos now. And my gosh, they are so shut up

01:02:43
and yeah, it's just amazing. Yeah. And I think then you're

01:02:49
lucky if you got 12 megapixels from the camera. Yeah, it was.

01:02:53
Yeah, that was huge. If you got 12 megapixels

01:02:56
Matt Waters: I was chatting with you might send him on video a

01:02:59
few times salvo chatting with him last week way before and

01:03:03
he's just moved on. He's now going to to DSLR for the TG six,

01:03:08
right, dude, you're going to have a big shock is going from a

01:03:13
TG six to a DSLR it's it's going to be like a huge step down for

01:03:18
at least the first six months because that that TG six is

01:03:22
brilliant. And he's won photographic competitions all

01:03:26
over the world with that thing. It's just phenomenal piece of

01:03:29
cake. I've

01:03:29
Jayne Jenkins: so got my original Nick on to the Canossa

01:03:32
to really I've got the Calypso I've got a two three a four. I

01:03:39
hated the four we've got a five

01:03:44
Matt Waters: so if you got if you got variations as well so

01:03:47
you got macro lenses and then wide angle. Yeah, and

01:03:50
Jayne Jenkins: with the Zed camera when that came out they

01:03:52
brought a range of said lenses, which are beautiful lenses, but

01:03:55
the lenses are lighter too. Okay, so you've got it said

01:03:59
camera for topside. Well, when you're not using your

01:04:02
multimillion dollar ones but

01:04:05
Matt Waters: the 100 and 1000 million megapixel camera yeah

01:04:09
Jayne Jenkins: they're just great little cameras, aren't

01:04:11
they?

01:04:11
Don Silcock: They did terrific i for very I've got to set up the

01:04:16
landscape. I've got the Fujifilm GFX medium format, which is a

01:04:21
lot of pixels. And yeah, they're 100 S's on it, you know but but

01:04:26
the thing is, if you like if you do image stacking, you know we

01:04:30
you end up with that files that are like 10 gigabytes. Yeah, by

01:04:34
the time you go through Photoshop, put layers and all

01:04:36
these like unbelievable, unbelievable, but the IoT is

01:04:40
I've got Zed six and seven which is what I'm taking to India. And

01:04:46
there's, you know that there's the top of the range zooms which

01:04:51
are two pi a which are really good, I've got them but they're

01:04:55
they're too big to travel with on a motorbike. So there's the

01:04:58
f4 zooms, which is one you're talking about. And those ones

01:05:01
I'm taking to India because they're smaller and lighter and

01:05:04
about 85 to 90% of the capability of the really top

01:05:09
line lenses. But you know, it's good enough. Especially when

01:05:14
you're restricted on way. So the cameras, the big thing these

01:05:18
days is the issue which, yes, is the user. Yeah, you can't blame

01:05:23
the

01:05:24
Jayne Jenkins: pisses me off more than somebody says, Oh,

01:05:26
your camera takes good photos, doesn't it? Well, actually,

01:05:31
there is somebody behind it.

01:05:34
Don Silcock: Yeah,

01:05:35
Jayne Jenkins: yeah. Oh, what settings have you got your

01:05:37
camera on? And well, what camera are you using, it's not the same

01:05:42
as mine, you're using something totally different. If I tell you

01:05:45
my settings, you're gonna get pissed off, because it's not

01:05:47
Matt Waters: nice and Hoover or something, you know, there's a

01:05:51
big difference. But so on the wide angle from what have you

01:05:54
got a favourite kind of lens that you go to for your wide

01:05:56
angle.

01:05:57
Jayne Jenkins: I've got the 14 to 30, which is quite nice. But

01:06:01
I'm starting to really love I've got the 816. And with the Zed

01:06:06
cameras, you can buy an adapter. So you can use the older Nick on

01:06:09
lenses. And the little baby macro port, and you can focus so

01:06:14
close with that.

01:06:16
Matt Waters: So what do you say,

01:06:19
Jayne Jenkins: eight to 16. Okay, and so you get a nice, you

01:06:22
know, you might have a frogfish, but you'll have all the nets

01:06:25
behind it. And I'm starting to like that lens quite a bit. By

01:06:29
the

01:06:29
Don Silcock: way, wide angle, macro is terminology. And it's

01:06:33
like, if you have the right combination of stuff, especially

01:06:38
with Jane's small housing. It's not as intimidating for the

01:06:43
creatures if you're trying to get in close with you know, with

01:06:46
a big port and all the rest of it, then, you know, you'd like

01:06:48
me to who's this guy, you know, but it's a view with that wide

01:06:53
angle. I love wider. Yeah. So you know, but it's not easy to

01:06:58
do. And you need the right combination. And at age 16 is a

01:07:01
fantastic lens. Yeah. And adapted on the Zeds. It works

01:07:05
very, very well. Yeah. Nice. Pretty nice.

01:07:07
Matt Waters: And where are you on wideangle underwear.

01:07:11
Don Silcock: With my a 50. I was using this wide angle conversion

01:07:14
for I've got the equivalent of 13 rectilinear with really sharp

01:07:19
corners. Yeah. Which is huge advantage. And using the zoom

01:07:24
I've gotten, it gives me the roughly from 13 millimetre on

01:07:28
full frame to about 50 Oh, yeah. And it focuses really close. So

01:07:34
and it's really really sharp. You know, it's a pain in the

01:07:37
butt. That the rig that I take in the water weighs 15 kilos.

01:07:41
Really? Yeah, the camera, the housing the board the strobes?

01:07:45
Yeah. But underwater is neutral. So it's not just not an issue.

01:07:50
The way I've got it set up with the buoyancy arms and honestly,

01:07:53
yeah. And it's worth all the, you know, the hernia that you

01:07:58
get carrying it around? Does the the results you get back

01:08:01
especially, I can't tell you how over the moon I am with this

01:08:05
high speed sync, it's, it's a phenomenal thing. To be able to,

01:08:10
I mean, underwater, you've got three, what with photography,

01:08:13
generally you've got three variables, you know, you got

01:08:15
your shutter speed, you got your F stop, and you got your ISO,

01:08:19
well, with underwater photography, you're limited,

01:08:23
depending on the camera to 12121 250 of a second that you

01:08:26
limit, right? This removes that limit. So you know, I was right,

01:08:31
what,

01:08:31
Matt Waters: hold on just just for people who are listening,

01:08:33
why limited to one 200 and 50th

01:08:36
Don Silcock: because that's the synchronisation speed. If you

01:08:41
use you can set it to say 1/500 of a second and it'll fire but

01:08:47
what you get as a black bandel on the bottom or the top or the

01:08:50
top because the the the the shutter speed is too fast for

01:08:58
the light from the straw to cover it. Gotcha. So what you

01:09:01
get this this black band so the effective limit is depending on

01:09:06
the camera, so between one 200 to one 3/20 Right now our high

01:09:11
speed singers is rather than sending out one flash of light,

01:09:18
it sends out multiples does it you can't you can't see

01:09:25
Matt Waters: you're not gonna throw an epileptic fit under

01:09:26
words. No

01:09:27
Don Silcock: not well. Old stoves I just have no no there's

01:09:32
only a couple of stoves that will do it. And which one today

01:09:35
so the retro will do it but you need a special adapter. And then

01:09:41
that my one on the water ones will see campstove One six is a

01:09:45
lot of device beating. So my one on the water wells which

01:09:49
Metallian they got it and but you have to show I sent the

01:09:55
stories back to Italy got them service got the Firmware Upgrade

01:09:58
they sent me the photographs Show me to prove to me that

01:10:01
we'll do the high speed sync when I came back, I connected it

01:10:04
with my, my da 50 housing. And I've got the TTL circuit board

01:10:12
in, right, right. And that's got like a switch that you can set

01:10:16
for different stalls. So I set it right to zero, which is just

01:10:19
like send the full single, but it won't work. So cut a long

01:10:24
story short, I had to get a special circuit board made, that

01:10:27
just passes through the signal. And it allowed, so it sends the

01:10:32
signal from the Nick on camera, unfiltered, to the strobes and

01:10:38
the strobes. No, it's an unfiltered signal. And

01:10:40
therefore, that's what comes through on that single if you

01:10:43
set it to FB focal plane shutter, it's got a special

01:10:46
setting in Flash, that tells the stove to switch to this. You

01:10:52
know, so what he does is like, if you set it for one 800 per

01:10:55
second, it will send out you can it's not it's not visible to the

01:11:01
naked eye, but it will send out multiple small flashes in

01:11:06
milliseconds, microseconds, right? That fill in as the right

01:11:12
you don't get the black band. Yeah. What this allows you to do

01:11:15
then, so my settings for that I learned to use in tuba was, you

01:11:21
know, you need about F 11. To get the sharp corners, right on

01:11:25
this with this wide angle conversion port, right? This is

01:11:28
minimum you need to go you can go a bit low, but you start to

01:11:30
lose, that really gets a bit soft, it gets a bit soft in the

01:11:34
corners, whereas Dev 11 It's long, it's unbelievably sharp

01:11:39
all the way across. Right. So That's kindness that with the da

01:11:42
50, you can go up to easily ISO 1000 without getting any major

01:11:48
noise. Really. Yeah. Because of the not because of the quality

01:11:53
of the sensor. Yeah, right. And you can dial in a shutter speed

01:12:00
to you know, show the shutter speed is what controls the

01:12:02
background, the F stop and the power of the strobes is like

01:12:07
going to what controls the foreground. So there's enough

01:12:09
power in the strobes of the drains the batteries quite

01:12:13
quickly. So you can ask it that? Well, normally, I can do four

01:12:17
dives on one charge. What I found was using high speed sync,

01:12:22
it really started. So I had to charge has stalled after the

01:12:25
second die. Yeah. Right. But it gives you this incredible

01:12:29
capability to get this superb background. Yeah. Which is a

01:12:37
function of the shutter speed. Do you can't do it any other

01:12:40
way. Yeah, you can't do in any other way.

01:12:43
Matt Waters: To the to the strobes get super hot, above the

01:12:46
surface.

01:12:47
Don Silcock: I didn't I didn't notice anything they and they

01:12:50
were you know, they were completely reliable. Okay. I

01:12:55
can, you know, to use that well known Australian technical term,

01:12:58
I was like a dog with two decks with what when I realised what

01:13:03
this would do. Yeah. And I know the owner of one on the what I

01:13:09
said in this, you know, Emacs, and I've just use this, this is

01:13:11
what I've been on, I can't believe the results, you know,

01:13:14
this combination of the DA 50 Which is the best DSI you can

01:13:17
get from Nick on combined with the wide angle conversion board,

01:13:23
which gives you this incredible optical quality underwater, and

01:13:28
this high speed sync which allows you to use those fast

01:13:31
shutter speeds. So once you once you get comfortable, I mean

01:13:35
initially I was like, how does this work? I can work it out. My

01:13:37
brain doesn't work very well. doesn't work that well generally

01:13:41
as well. But on the wards then you start to Oh, wow. You know,

01:13:46
and then you can get you know the beams of light and

01:13:51
Jayne Jenkins: the images you put up with stunning they were

01:13:54
beautiful.

01:13:54
Matt Waters: They weren't that bad. Whether

01:13:59
Don Silcock: that's a compliment from we're able to recognise

01:14:04
Matt Waters: it as an undertone of

01:14:05
Don Silcock: jealousy. That was a compliment.

01:14:09
Matt Waters: Good on you. Good on you. Well, gang, I think

01:14:13
we'll wrap it up there. Yeah. My only does one compliment for

01:14:18
sure. Yeah. I haven't got one. Go fishing. Jane, welcome to the

01:14:34
show has been an absolute pleasure talking to you this

01:14:36
evening. And it's been having a beer and I'm sure we'll do it

01:14:40
many many, many, many more.

01:14:42
Don Silcock: Bring Valerie in.

01:14:43
Jayne Jenkins: Yeah. Oh, interesting.

01:14:45
Matt Waters: Would she come in? If I bring it? Yeah. Go to Arif.

01:14:49
She's can't be asked on what's a cup of tea instead?

01:14:52
Jayne Jenkins: GB Gin Tonic.

01:14:55
Don Silcock: That'd be that'd be a fantastic show because she's a

01:14:58
really good friend. Yeah. James Nona. yours and I met Valerie

01:15:01
through Jane and yeah, we you know, I'll never forget that

01:15:04
trip we did. One was that that was about 15 years ago. That was

01:15:08
when when Ron was alive and his birthday, wasn't it? Yeah. Four

01:15:12
days down and matching islands, you know that these were the

01:15:15
people who invented the whole thing. Yeah. And yeah, so that

01:15:19
was a that was a great experience to be with. But yeah,

01:15:22
Jane's change. Malevich. messmate.

01:15:27
Matt Waters: Valerie wants to come on the show. I have love. I

01:15:31
had Sylvia Earle on last year. Oh, Sophie. It's lovely. Yeah.

01:15:34
And, you know, she's kind of my hero from being a kid and

01:15:38
Valerie's in the same ilk, you know? Yeah. So I can comply with

01:15:43
JNT not a problem. I'll bring the whiskey bottle for me. No,

01:15:49
she's sweet up. No, that would be fantastic. Just to talk

01:15:52
through her history. And I know it's been done time and time and

01:15:56
time again, but not by

01:15:58
Don Silcock: hearing it from the from Valerie is different is

01:16:02
different from hearing it from you know real well, you know,

01:16:06
she's real character is never in doubt. Doubt.

01:16:15
Matt Waters: Think it was the first time Tom was on the show.

01:16:17
I think it might have been Yeah, I think it was episode one.

01:16:20
Episode One season one. And we were talking just chit chat,

01:16:24
chit chat. And he's like, Yeah, did Chatterbait today and popped

01:16:27
up and Valerie singleton just had a chat with Valerie, tell us

01:16:34
what you did. What how well

01:16:40
Don Silcock: she was James passenger. Rashid came down in

01:16:44
Jayne Jenkins: came down the car with me. She just wanted to be

01:16:44
the car out for the day. So she comes

01:16:46
down. She comes to the divesite with me and just

01:16:50
Matt Waters: hangs out.

01:16:51
Jayne Jenkins: Yeah.

01:16:52
Matt Waters: Good. Happy days. Cool. Thanks. Again. Thank you

01:16:58
very much. It's been an absolute pleasure. Again, everyone who's

01:17:05
listening. Thanks for tuning in. See you next time. Bye for now.