Lyndi Leggett - The Scuba Gym

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Matt Waters: Hey there dive buddies and welcome to the show.

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So this week we have an amazing guest coming on the show from

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the Scuba gym and it is Lindy leggett. I met Lindy last week

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at OZTek and was absolutely amazed at what she is doing. And

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without hesitation, she was super keen to jump on the show.

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So Lindy, welcome to the show. How you doing?

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Lyndi Leggett: Thank you, man. Thank you for having me. This is

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quite an honour.

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Matt Waters: My pleasure. My pleasure, indeed. All right.

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Well, let's, let's start right at the beginning and work how

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did you get into diving?

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Lyndi Leggett: Oh, wow,that far back. I was a water baby all my

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life. I was always in the pool and the water playing around.

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And once I had got out of corporate world for a break, I

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overland through Africa on a big truck with 2526 crazy people. It

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was a time of my life it was during that time as well. And I

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found out that Scuba diving had actually become achievable and

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affordable. Because it was when I was looking into doing it, it

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was sort of a Navy SEAL kind of a thing that you you know, you

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had to have a load of money or you had to be in Special Forces

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to Scuba dive. So at the time that I found out about it, it

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Patti had just made it recreational diving more

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accessible and was getting the word out there. So I guess we

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looked into it. As soon as I got back from Overland actually, I

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looked into it. And incidentally, it was really

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funny because once I decided to do it, all the mates in the

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group, including Paul, we all jumped in. We all did.

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Matt Waters: So this was a trip that you you did a trip with

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Paul Toomer.

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Lyndi Leggett: No, no, no, I was great mates with Paul Toomer

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before we even got when he was driving around on his motorbike

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across London delivering parcels for you know, in his courier

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business, and then at night, we would go and watch him play in

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the band, or, you know, we'd party every weekend together. He

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was he's a great, great friend of mine before Scuba, even

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Bloody hell.

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Matt Waters: So So you. Let's take it even before the overland

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through Africa. So you just mentioned you know, Paul, from

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his days in London, so yes, you were corporate in London?

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Lyndi Leggett: Yes, yes. So I left left home at 19 with a

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backpack and never came home. I actually left Johannesburg,

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which is which was my home address. And really weird story

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is when I was in my teens, the house that we move to, when we

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first moved to South Africa, we used to ride our bikes up and

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down the sandy Park Sandy track, it was a shortcut that cars

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would take to cut going all the way around the highway to get

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around the hill, including my mom, she would take us to school

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down the short term, the short, the short, short track. And on

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days when we were like school holidays, or weekends, there was

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this guy who was on his motorbike scrambling up and

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down. You know who it is right? We found out years later when we

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met in London, and we were comparing notes as to where we

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lived. And he was like, oh, yeah, I used to get up and down

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the little. It was you? Well, we

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Matt Waters: were like kids watching you. It's an extremely

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small world.

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Lyndi Leggett: I know. Right? And well, I mean, the bond was

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just, it just was such we had such fun in London, the whole

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crew who who hung out together and then when we all got into

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diving, it was so special because our holiday suddenly had

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a focus on being underwater so we take all our gear we go to

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Egypt we go you know all over the place together the Maldives.

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We just had so much fun. It was it was great, great times. Oh,

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cool.

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Matt Waters: So did you get into diver before Paul?

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Lyndi Leggett: No, we got in at the same time. So I got back

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from Overland and I went Petey, I would be sick for some reason.

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Then Paul became an instructor and I came back to Betty because

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he crossed my eating cost me over I just retrained and and

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got paid he was a bigger gig and because he had taken off with

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it, I was like well I'm hanging out with my mate. I'm going to

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petty route now. And since since then I've done all sorts so but

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that's that some men this whole thing began.

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Matt Waters: I got the gist that you guys knew each other, but I

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didn't realise it was it was that far back. Oh, we got lots of

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Lyndi Leggett: stories. Now all right now let's stick to diving.

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Yeah.

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Matt Waters: Yeah, brilliant. Brilliant.

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Lyndi Leggett: Oh, he is he's a brilliant friend. Yeah.

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Matt Waters: Okay, so you did London did an over trip in

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Africa. And then while you get back to London and thing shot

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this

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Lyndi Leggett: conventional life. Yeah, career change. Let's

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no longer programme computers, let's programme people. So that

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was a career change into corporate training, which is

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where I went career wise, and at the same time decided I'm going

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to learn to dive that's going to be my my thing. And it certainly

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is my thing has always been With a little gap for having children

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and living in Seattle, which is pretty cold so, anyway, diving

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was definitely is to this day, my place took my happy place.

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What I do almost every day even when it's horrible outside

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sometimes I still go out to work and die.

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Matt Waters: Yeah, yeah. No Don't blame me for saying that.

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I mean, I cried off I was I was almost gonna get in the water

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yesterday. And was it two days? Two days ago? decided no, it's

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not gonna be a good thing. It was crap conditions. We got

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nothing but rain down here at the moment this insane Yeah,

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anyway, digression there. So hold on. So. So we're done.

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London, we're done. Right shot it. We're not gonna do a

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conventional lifestyle anymore. We're going to do training.

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People getting paged at how do you end up in Seattle. And

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Lyndi Leggett: so my husband, I got him a job at Microsoft. I

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was contracting at Microsoft. And he was he had moved over, we

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got married, and he joined Microsoft. They loved what he

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who he was. He's really good at what he did. And then we got

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transferred. So Microsoft actually paid for us to move to

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Redmond to Seattle, Redmond in Seattle, which is Microsoft

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headquarters, where we live for three years. And I had our first

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child. So my son, my son, who's now 14 Is our Captain America.

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He was born in

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Matt Waters: one. Yeah, how many kids you got? You got 2322

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Lyndi Leggett: and two of my own and I have a bonus boy from from

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Tim. His. His first child is 2425. Now so he truly is a

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bonus. Boy, he's a beautiful human. Yeah.

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Matt Waters: My son is 25 when I say that, yeah. Yeah. He's

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taller than me as well. As a unit. Lovely fella. Wow. So

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you've got one son who was born in America. And then so is it a

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son or daughter, the other one

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Lyndi Leggett: daughter who was born in, in cocoa in the bath.

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Both of them would have been babies, but my son opted not to

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but yeah, they see. I told you, what is my thing? Yeah, home

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births both of them. So yeah. I know. Right. and I both Scuba

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dive. That's the good thing about COVID because my daughter

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was 10 when we had the first lockdown. And I said, right, you

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go, get on to read, download the manuals and start reading. 10

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years old.

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Matt Waters: Brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah, absolutely. So

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they're both and Herbie, is hobby still working for

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Microsoft, because I've got some shit that he can sort out with

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my outlook.

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Lyndi Leggett: No, buddy.Take a ticket. By the way.

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Matt Waters: Microsoft, it's a pain in the ass. Going great

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guns at the moment. Cuz everyone keeps talking about merch for

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this show. And, you know, and the network that's that's that

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I've got and then building. It's all constantly building and

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people saying I should do this should do that. And I just love

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promoting other people's products. So I thought, You know

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what, I'm going to jump on the bandwagon and just do an online

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store and do some drop shipping, that kind of thing. So I'm

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setting all that up at the moment. And got the got the

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domain name, you know, for the website, and this morning, but

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an email to go with it. So it all matches up. And it's quite

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nice and pretty. But of course it goes through Outlook. So

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there's the stumbling block. So I've got an email that I just

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have no bloody clue how to fix it at the moment. Yeah, I'll

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throw the Mac out the window. That'll probably help. Anyway,

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digressing. Again. All right, yeah, you'll find that I do a

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lot of tangents. That's great. So did Seattle. And then did you

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go from Seattle to Australia? Or back to London first?

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Lyndi Leggett: Yes. So we came back to live in Australia. My

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husband is an Aussie. And we came back to live here with it

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was, you know, grandparents, all of that stuff and an opportunity

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to come back home at a good time. So we did that. And he

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moved up, we moved up to the Central Coast, which is where

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I'm based now. And when my kids were little, and that's when I

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looked at corporate training and went well, you know, I've got

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get on a train at six o'clock in the morning and get back at six

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o'clock at night with two little children who I actually don't

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want to leave all for all of that period of time to go back

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into corporate world. Because I could only get gigs up at

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Newcastle or down in Sydney to do the work that I do in the

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corporate was in the corporate space. So I had I actually

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watched the HMS Adelaide be Scotland and I had the idea

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perhaps I should get back into diving. I was pretty qualified

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already. I made it to rescue diver. So I convinced my husband

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this would be a great opportunity for me to go into

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diving and I walked into a couple of dive shops, one of the

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owners, a good salesman that he is he gave me a whole lot of

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bump about it all and I said if I become a dive master

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instructor would you have three or four days a week for me? And

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he said, Oh, absolutely. So I did. And then once I qualified I

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walked in, I went right. What do you want me to do? And he looked

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at me I said, Well, I've qualified now you got to pay Me,

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I'm working. It was good. He did for a while and then Winter came

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and he said, oh, so I don't have four days for you maybe one

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winter we don't have clients I said what the hell up and he

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just convinced this man, my husband this is good. So I, I'll

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let you in on a little secret. I actually started a company

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called Hell of a scrub and I dive under boats to this day and

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clean them. Okay. Yeah. So how long have a scrub you might want

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to

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Matt Waters: scrub how good the scrub.

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Lyndi Leggett: I tell my clients that you can tell your wife you

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got to scrub it now. Not just any old scrub up. They love it.

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They're mostly retired. I'm

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Matt Waters: here so they love it. Does it does it what does it

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pay? Well,

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Lyndi Leggett: it does pays me to exercise pretty much every

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day that I'm not in the pool with my Scuba gym clients. It's

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not something I'm going to continue forever. But it was it

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has certainly done done as well. And it built itself up really

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from poor ranchette. Just talk. So that's how that grew. That's

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why I'm in the water most days apart from today. It's filthy

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out there today. And the wind is howling. So I just play it safe.

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But yeah, so in just to cut to the chase, I was doing some

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corporate training. It was a three day intensive leadership

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programme that I was teaching every three or four months parts

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of it as I became qualified as the only trainer in Australia to

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teach this particular programme. The company was is called report

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leadership. It was very intense training. In fact, it was the

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trainer that I loved, how she trained was so impressive that I

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wanted to rise to the occasion and step up and, and push myself

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and saw this as an opportunity because there's only a was well

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paid gig. But I it took a lot of learning. I mean, the script was

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three days long, essentially, I had to learn it by heart. Yeah.

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I'm not just a movie script that actors can learn, you know, a

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couple of hours with the lines. No, this was three days. I'll

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tell you something. Anyway, as I was, as I was going through that

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it wasn't happening quick enough. The training wasn't

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happening every month, it was happening every three or four

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months. It was just taking a long time to qualify. I was just

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about there. And the guy who was working for suddenly said he's

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gone broke. Like you're kidding, anyway. But that's six months

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before he came to me with that I had seen I've been putting it

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out there as I do put it out there to the universe. I need

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more. There's got to be doing more with my life. I can't be

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waiting every three or four months to get a training gig.

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This is not working for any of us. And that lo and behold up on

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social media, can I see the video that David put together of

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the Scuba gym? And I can't tell you how many times I've watched

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it. It was that many? And then I messaged him and I said I love

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what you do. Can we do that in Australia? Can we at least have

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a conversation? And he said sure thinking you know she's in

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Australia wants to do this and I rang him. I rang him at I don't

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know, it was about 10 o'clock at night, Sydney time. And he

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answered the phone. It was a Sunday night sort of being

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Saturday morning for him and he answered the phone and I could

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hear him saying to his wife Kim,

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Matt Waters: it says trainee on the phone.

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Lyndi Leggett: He was so excited. And and we bonded and

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we called each other a lot and talked and talked and talked and

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talked and then he said come over and I'll teach you what to

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do because I said you know what medical qualification do I need

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to do what you do? And he he said you don't? I figured it

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out. Okay, let me backtrack because it's for those people

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who haven't heard of the Scuba gym, and how amazing David and

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his discoveries are about what we do underwater. His son became

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a quadriplegic and 11. So my son when I heard about this, he was

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12. And I heard about Scuba Jim. Yeah, no, he was 11. He was 11.

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So David Jr. became a quadriplegic, and he living at a

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growth on his brainstem right in the centre of the brain. life

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threatening hex ever cut out at 11 Little kid, merican football

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player, beautiful human, just came out of the operation

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acquired, wow, that would just be dead. As you've got a child,

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I would just destroy any family, Lauren's family, they rose up

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and they did everything in their power to rehabilitate him to

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make him whole again, and nothing was working. And his dad

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knew about hyperbaric oxygen treatment. And we know that it's

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good for burn victims. And we know that professional sports

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woman and men use it, but it's very, very, very expensive. We

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all know that as divers. In any country, it's very expensive. So

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David just thought outside of the box and decided well, the

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pool is a hyperbaric environment. So why don't I just

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take him into the pool. So he did Imagine that 811 going into

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a pool this is like 1213 years ago, so it was fairly new right

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to take disabled people are not really that new but a

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quadriplegic who's a kid Anyway, he took him in, he started

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exercising him and he did a lot of work stimulating his nervous

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system. And lo and behold, David Jr. Now walks. So from being

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labelled a quadriplegic he walks drives a car. Yeah. Yeah, that's

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what I see in this video. It reacted the same way. Oh, you

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should I want to do that. How do we how do we do that? Is that do

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I need medical training? Because if I do the I'm not very

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patient. I don't think I would last at university. Just not at

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all. And David said, No, I figured it out. I learned and I

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can teach you. I said, Okay, game on,

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Matt Waters: let's do this. Yeah. Holy crow.

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Lyndi Leggett: Think about when you've been teaching a

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leadership programme, and you've been teaching people to step out

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of their comfort zone and to take action and to have courage

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and to have conviction, you then have to do it yourself.

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Matt Waters: Yeah. Yeah, that's the scary

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Lyndi Leggett: just the trainer, but actually do it in your own

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life. It was like, Oh, my turn. Okay. Yeah.

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Matt Waters: So what was his name? Again? Sorry, the founder,

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date, David Lawrence, David. And when? When did when did David

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what year? Did David Shut up?

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Lyndi Leggett: Was that 2018 2008? She sounds around about

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them

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Matt Waters: shaping going a good 10 or 11 years or something

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like that before? Yes. Yes.

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Lyndi Leggett: So he's got he's hasn't just helped his son. He's

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helped a lot of people. Yeah. He came from an IT background as

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well. And he knew he couldn't go back to it. He knew it to do

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this for the rest of his life. Yeah. So the benefits of being

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he's found also, we haven't helped people to walk against

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we've had stupid things like COVID happening, which have

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locked us out of the pool. But we've had amazing stuff

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happening in our Scuba gym in a really relatively short space of

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time, for me is profound, and it keeps me going every every week

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back to do it. And you know, when you have those moments of

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what the hell, I've only got one person because everyone else was

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cancelled because they're all sick or something's happened to

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go, why am I doing this?

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Matt Waters: No, you're doing a fucking marvellous thing. You

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really are.

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Lyndi Leggett: Thank you, buddy. Yeah, pretty exciting.

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quadrupole, quadruple amputee, who's been emailing me a few

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times, which would be odd. He's an amputee, how was he supposed

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to email me? He sent me a message saying, I've just passed

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my dark medical, we better book a date. I'm like, Oh, this is so

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exciting.

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Matt Waters: You know, what I didn't ask was clearly your

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buddies with Paul, are you doing anything with raid? A raid?

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Because they've they've jumped on board with depth therapy as

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well? No.

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Lyndi Leggett: Yes. So I'm Paul and I have to get together. So I

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little inside secret, as I teach, mostly read. I do a

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little bit of naui. But I teach mostly read, I know, I'm Patty

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and SSI instructor, but I actually don't continue my

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professional subscription to them across the fortune if I had

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four. And I actually prefer raid to all of them. Not because of

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Paul, although he has a lot of influence in my life. But

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because of the flexibility and the teaching around it. Yes,

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some skills that they have updated, which makes sense to

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me. And there's some that are flexible, which should be

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flexible. Whereas Paddy is this, this, this and this and you tick

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boxes and away you go and exercise very much the same. Now

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is very much more detailed. I found course. Which is good.

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Which is but it's hard to get detail on a four day course.

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Yeah. Even even with regard to some of the right stuff, it's

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it's having the flexibility to be able to say okay, we're going

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to come back and we're going to revisit that you've you've the

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core skills, your great diver, some of these other things that

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are extra we're going to revisit in your next course. And I think

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that's a better approach. As a trainer, yeah. In terms of

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retention, people need to be able to retain the core stuff,

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not be overwhelmed with all of it.

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Matt Waters: That's the thing. And I had this I had a very

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similar discussion with Jeffrey Glen chopper when he was on the

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show a few months back. And he's he's a extremely good

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instructor, tech instructor. And the reason that he's good is

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that he's the he's doing more or less exactly what you're doing.

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And as an instructor you develop the skills, your own teaching

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skills, from those standards and experiences and requirements

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from the training agencies that you're affiliated to. You can

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find that that that little gem that's really good to use in

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PADI and SSI and now in and raid, and there might all be

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little different gems but that makes a better instructor and a

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better course for you, your student. I got again when it was

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time to backtrack a little bit here but you just mentioned

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about watching the videos and same progression with with

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people Have that young lad that you've got at Versailles. His

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video is amazing.

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Lyndi Leggett: And his anxiety makes me cry when he came to us.

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He's moved into inland now but when he he would ring me up out

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of the blue and say Lindy I can click my fingers. I can click my

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fingers. Yes. And he got so excited. And I was just Well,

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Matt Waters: yeah, so just for those people who are listening,

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because they're not gonna have a clue whose desires do you might

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give him a bit of a background on his story?

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Lyndi Leggett: Sure. So as I came to us, he was 11. So he was

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our youngest diver. So all of our clients will call divers

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because if they do the dive, and die has hip Tonia. So hip, Tony,

00:20:42
for those who don't know, is pretty unfair, really. I mean,

00:20:46
all illnesses are at this one is not very, very nice for a little

00:20:49
fellow. It's his connective tissue isn't like ours. So when

00:20:52
he runs, his arms are a bit floppy. When he plays, he said,

00:20:56
He's dislocated his knee and his shoulders that many times he

00:20:58
said he had had seven or eight operations on his knee when he

00:21:02
came to us, you know, whopping great scar that they keep

00:21:05
opening up. And so his mom said, I just want to give it a go. I

00:21:09
just want to see how it looks like this might be good for him.

00:21:13
I said, Okay.

00:21:14
Matt Waters: Well, let's, let's just point out that, you know,

00:21:17
you say about him, dislocated his knee. That was simply by

00:21:21
walking. The dislocations were occurring was no.

00:21:24
Lyndi Leggett: Yeah, walking, playing with his mates in the in

00:21:26
the in school grounds. So you just, you just can't play like a

00:21:31
regular kid? Because he hates himself. Yeah. Yeah. And because

00:21:34
of this connective tissue problem, then it just and the

00:21:37
doctors said that if he doesn't get some kind of help, he's

00:21:41
going to end up in a chair. By the time he's 16. Yeah. Which

00:21:45
isn't a very nice prognosis for someone who's only just really

00:21:48
beginning life, exactly. And becoming a teenager. So when he

00:21:52
came to us, he came on the first week. And then and it took a

00:21:55
while to get in as most of them do, we, our first session with

00:21:58
any person is an hour and a half just to settle them in, get them

00:22:02
geared up, talk it all through, etc. And then get under water

00:22:04
and see how they present their diagnosis and see how they adapt

00:22:09
and work with the exercises we give. We get them to do. So he

00:22:14
loved it. Afterwards, he had an ice cream and he was just full

00:22:17
of he was you know what was really special as, as you know,

00:22:21
that 90% of the population are terrified of going underwater.

00:22:25
So for somebody who's got a diagnosis that is not very nice.

00:22:30
Whether it's autism or hip, hip Tonia, or MS, or any of them.

00:22:35
It's pretty incredible to go back into your world and say

00:22:38
I've been Scuba diving. The lift for them is huge, just to be

00:22:43
able to say that his brother had never done it. His brother was

00:22:46
much older than him. And he was like, Hey, I've been Scuba

00:22:48
diving way. And that's, and that's cool. It's so cool. And

00:22:52
he loved it. And he had a there was two weeks before he came

00:22:55
back because he was coming during school. So he would come

00:22:58
just before school at nine o'clock appointment, and then he

00:23:00
off to school. And so there were two weeks, and then he came

00:23:03
back. And then he went to his knee surgeon and the knee. So

00:23:05
you only been to us for two sessions. And the knee surgeon

00:23:09
looked at his knee and said, What have you been doing? And in

00:23:11
the video, his mom explains his mom says exactly what I'm going

00:23:15
to tell you. She said we've been to Scuba therapy. And he said,

00:23:18
Well, what is that? And she explained and he said, Well, you

00:23:21
got to keep doing it because we're not going to do his knee

00:23:23
operation. He had seen that much change meant that much change in

00:23:26
his knee that he put off his surgery for a year and said

00:23:29
we'll wait a year and see what happens. That's amazing.

00:23:32
Amazing. It was amazing. Because then not only did his knees

00:23:35
start healing itself, but then then he rang up and he said that

00:23:39
he could click his fingers. And then he told me that he could

00:23:41
like one of those dreadful candles that you have to pull

00:23:45
and click. I mean, it's like

00:23:47
Matt Waters: the most people the to trigger lighter. That's right.

00:23:51
Lyndi Leggett: And he was so excited. He could light the

00:23:52
candle. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's, that was I and he was he was 11.

00:23:58
When he came to us. He's sadly moved inland now so he's not got

00:24:01
access to our therapy anymore. But of course when lockdown

00:24:05
happened, he went backwards immediately. Yeah, they've

00:24:07
ordered which was really sad. So we starting again. That's okay.

00:24:10
This was starting again. But yeah, we had lots of stories.

00:24:16
Lots of stories. Yeah.

00:24:18
Matt Waters: And what was he going to say has gone inland?

00:24:21
Has he gone?

00:24:22
Lyndi Leggett: Somebody made up of?

00:24:24
Matt Waters: Oh, wow. Okay, so,

00:24:27
Lyndi Leggett: Mama dad moved. Yeah. So this Adam, Adam has

00:24:30
Spinal Bifida Adam walks on crutches. He drives a car. He's

00:24:35
pretty mobile. When he gets tired, he will use his chair.

00:24:38
And he came to us regularly like every week once he got into it,

00:24:40
he loved it. I think the social side of it as well helped Adam

00:24:43
big time. You would be in his late 30s. I would if I remember

00:24:47
correctly. And I said to him after months of coming at him

00:24:50
what's changed for you, buddy? Come on, give me something I

00:24:53
need to know. Like, give me Have you had any benefit from coming

00:24:57
other than our beautiful company? He said, Oh, I can cut

00:25:05
my food. I've been able to cut my foods for about five years.

00:25:09
Oh, wow, what? He goes, Yeah, that's pretty exciting. So I

00:25:16
know right, you have to stop and think about that for a minute go.

00:25:19
Matt Waters: Um, I'm literally just thinking about, I'll tell

00:25:21
you what I'm thinking is the fact that these guys and ladies

00:25:26
are in water, and that weightlessness is just giving

00:25:30
them the freedom to be able to move the limbs that would

00:25:34
probably get injured or cause some sort of injury.

00:25:38
Lyndi Leggett: So the water helps. Absolutely. So for those

00:25:43
who are mobile, the exercises we get them to do. Disguised as

00:25:49
fun, yeah, we have a, we have a lot of fun. Of course, there's

00:25:55
kettlebells, and of course, his dumbbells. And there's stuff

00:25:58
that we would expect in a gym. But there's a lot of fun that we

00:26:02
have on the water. And if you hide the fact that there's

00:26:05
something clever going on in the background with a bit of fun,

00:26:09
then magic happens. I'm telling you, magic happens. And what's

00:26:13
really cool about the results that we've we've had is that we

00:26:17
didn't expect them, like you want someone to walk again. But

00:26:20
when somebody tells when Adam said, I've cut my food, I had no

00:26:23
idea that he couldn't cut his food. So for him to tell me that

00:26:26
was huge. There was a massive and then Megan with the cat

00:26:29
jumping on her lap, and suddenly she's stroking it, she hasn't

00:26:31
been able to strike a cat for three or four years. Now the cat

00:26:34
now she's stroking the cat and she just looks at Kara and says

00:26:38
you've got to find in the video and this and send the video. I'm

00:26:40
stroking my cat.

00:26:41
Matt Waters: And Megan is the lady that's in a wheelchair.

00:26:44
Lyndi Leggett: She's the lady with MS is a lovely story about

00:26:47
Megan and how her lung function improved just from what we do

00:26:52
with her underwater. So her physio gave her a spirometer

00:26:56
spirometer you got to second it lifts the balls, there's three

00:26:58
balls in three different tubes. And depending on how strong your

00:27:01
lungs are, you can usually get three balls up in the air. She

00:27:05
couldn't even get one in the air when she first started one.

00:27:09
Yeah. So she would talk, talk, talk, talk and then stop and

00:27:12
breathe. And then carry on so mid sentence.

00:27:15
Matt Waters: So she had run out of breath, out of breath.

00:27:19
Lyndi Leggett: And she and her voice was softer. So as soon as

00:27:22
she started working out with us, you could hear her improving

00:27:24
just by the way she spoke. Yeah, you could just hear she had more

00:27:27
presence. She had a you know, she had a full a lung capacity.

00:27:32
Which just that in itself met like if you're getting more

00:27:35
oxygen in your body. Yeah, that's gonna happen.

00:27:38
Matt Waters: 100% There's no way around it.

00:27:41
Lyndi Leggett: Yeah, so and for her. I mean, she got every time

00:27:45
she came. She got out of her chair and now she's walking. I

00:27:48
know she's, she's got MS. She for those people who don't know

00:27:52
the story. Megan has multiple sclerosis and has a lesion on a

00:27:55
spine upon around the C three C four area on the spine, which

00:27:59
makes her and a quadriplegic. She has minimum tiny bit of

00:28:03
movement in her left hand only and a frozen shoulder her left

00:28:06
shoulder is frozen. So her right arm isn't frozen. So we can we

00:28:10
can move it around. But she can't. Okay. He has. She had

00:28:13
very minimal movement in the right side. Her left side she

00:28:16
had she could tap numbers on her phone. But she couldn't put her

00:28:20
hand to mouth. Right. And her shoulder being frozen. She

00:28:25
couldn't move that either. So. And MS is as we know, there's no

00:28:31
cure for it. Yeah, but what we did find everyone's waiting to

00:28:40
hear what I'm going to say. We're used to we got to do a

00:28:45
whole bunch of exercises and we got to so we walked her legs. We

00:28:49
moved her underwater. So from sitting all day in a chair from

00:28:53
having three carers around her two of whom had to hold her in

00:28:56
place while they dressed her on a sitting on her bed. They had

00:28:59
to hold us to sit in a bed after working with us. She was holding

00:29:02
herself up by herself. So that means her core had kicked in.

00:29:08
Yeah, right. So all of her core had now kicked in and well,

00:29:14
that's massive in itself. Now on the lung function that's now

00:29:17
working as well. There were other things I'm not going to

00:29:20
say but one pretty cool thing was the cat. So we got it to do

00:29:25
press ups. This took time, right? It's not overnight. We

00:29:28
got to doing press ups on kettlebells. So we have heavy

00:29:30
kettlebells and we hold her feet and she has to do the work with

00:29:33
a little bit of help but she does the work. And that combined

00:29:37
with moving her hands up a hockey stick, okay, because we

00:29:41
play with the autistic people underwater with hockey sticks

00:29:44
and all sorts of fun stuff. And so we use these props for

00:29:47
everyone. And she was doing this really hard work to get it up

00:29:51
and I gave her a squishy. Like of those brain balls they

00:29:54
squeeze. So of course it's squishy in and they float. And I

00:29:58
had a just to work dexterity in her hands and to get them

00:30:01
muscles moving from one to another. She was putting the

00:30:03
ball from one hand into the other, one hand into the other

00:30:06
by herself. I'm standing behind a camera filming this. The video

00:30:09
is on the YouTube, our YouTube channel so people can see it for

00:30:12
themselves. She let go of the ball, and the ball rolled up her

00:30:18
chest, and she automatically caught it. She's a quadriplegic

00:30:24
man. She's not supposed to be able to do that. She's not that

00:30:27
she's a quadriplegic. How's that? How's it how did she catch

00:30:30
the ball once she wasn't even looking? It's like a natural

00:30:32
reaction that you I would have done because everybody, it was

00:30:35
just an instant grab. She did exactly that, which tells me,

00:30:39
which tells everyone if you're paying attention, the neuro the

00:30:42
nervous system is so complex. No one knows really what's going on

00:30:45
in it. Yeah. And when her professor heard who's her

00:30:49
neurologist, I actually met him through COVID. It was it's a

00:30:53
weird story, but I actually met him and I said to him after the

00:30:56
appointment, my son have to go and see him he's it's quite

00:31:00
actually, it's a funny story. So I'll tell you locked down, did

00:31:02
my son's knee and he said, playing X Box weird on his chair

00:31:06
for so long that he got dropped foot 12 or 1313 year olds are

00:31:10
not supposed to have dropped foot. That's like an old age old.

00:31:14
Matt Waters: What the hell is drop foot?

00:31:15
Lyndi Leggett: So he could when he walked, he couldn't lift his

00:31:18
foot up. So he it was his left foot so he could move it left,

00:31:22
right down, but he couldn't lift it up. So he would drag it.

00:31:26
Okay, what the hell? Why don't you lifting it up? So all sorts

00:31:31
of people went see all sorts of X rays. Eventually we get into

00:31:34
see Professor heard his neurologist, and he jabs him in

00:31:37
the knee and goes, Yep, you got drop foot, it'll come back now,

00:31:40
don't worry, we got to just exercise and so and then funny.

00:31:44
At the end of the appointment, I said, Professor hood, I'm an MD,

00:31:47
from the Scuba gym, your clients are my clients, we've got a few

00:31:50
in common. And he looked at me, of course, it was the days when

00:31:53
we had to wear masks. Whatever you're doing, keep doing it,

00:31:58
because it's working. This is the Professor of Neurology

00:32:03
telling me that. I thanks. Did everyone hear that?

00:32:07
Matt Waters: What? Why isn't? Why isn't this so many other

00:32:10
places that are doing this as well then?

00:32:12
Lyndi Leggett: Good question, you know, out of the box mat.

00:32:15
Matt Waters: It is it is out of the box, but surely they've been

00:32:17
using, you know, aquatic kind of therapy.

00:32:21
Lyndi Leggett: Well, the, the I don't know the trick, but the

00:32:26
what David did was say okay, let's just use the gear. So we

00:32:30
have a so people ask, it's diving, I'd surely I need a

00:32:34
medical? Oh, absolutely you do. Because you need a medical

00:32:37
you're coming into the pool. If you're having seizures, we

00:32:39
absolutely need to know that before we let you in the pool.

00:32:42
And you will have to have a doctor signing off to just

00:32:44
follow it. So not everyone will need a doctor to sign them off.

00:32:47
We have a diver medical that is all approved. We have our own

00:32:51
diver doctor who is based in Arizona. And he if I need to

00:32:55
refer anyone on or if I need to ask him questions. He has said

00:32:58
to me, call me email me ask anything. Just that's how cool

00:33:03
this guy is. He's a wonderful man. And so if I need help, or

00:33:08
and that's he's amazing, amazing guy. specifically trained dive

00:33:13
doctor. Some people will go off and see their own doctors and

00:33:16
get signed off. So that is a dive medical. Where was I going

00:33:19
with this?

00:33:21
Matt Waters: What? Why other?

00:33:24
Lyndi Leggett: Oh, that's right. So because it's taking, it's

00:33:28
using Scuba gear.

00:33:30
Matt Waters: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So aqua aerobics. Yeah.

00:33:35
Lyndi Leggett: It's hydrotherapy on steroids. As one of my physio

00:33:39
team members said to me once, yes, this is high hydrotherapy

00:33:43
on steroids. Yeah. And the end because it's combining two

00:33:47
things, one Scuba gear so that we don't teach them. So we give

00:33:50
them the rundown. We give them the we have the conversation

00:33:54
about so you can't move your arms. So we get to watch you and

00:33:59
we get to dive for you. So we get to do a few signals. If you

00:34:03
want to go up, you move your eyes up or your head. Yeah. So

00:34:06
communication is very limited. As you know, it's even worse

00:34:09
when you got people who can't give you hand signals. Yeah,

00:34:12
yeah. And go on. And those people who need to have someone

00:34:19
staring at them all the time that we are underwater, so if

00:34:22
I'm working on their legs, or their or their arms, or usually

00:34:25
their legs and feet that I work on, I have to know that the team

00:34:29
person say you, for example, if you came to help me, or watching

00:34:32
them like a hawk to make sure that regulator stays in or if

00:34:35
they've got a full face mask, and they've got cerebral palsy,

00:34:38
like our client chairs, that, that that full face mask doesn't

00:34:42
leak. Yes, it's black. So we can't tell we can't she can't

00:34:46
signal to us other than look up. Yeah, I want to go up and then

00:34:49
we've got to rip that thing off real quick. If it is leaking.

00:34:52
Now, let's never happen Touchwood it never does. But

00:34:54
these are all things we got to consider. And that's why what

00:34:57
could be one of the reasons why people haven't done it before.

00:34:59
They haven't put two and two together like David, hang on

00:35:02
hyperbaric. Let's check them in the water. And then let's

00:35:06
combine a few things that stimulate the nerves. This Let's

00:35:08
exercise and let's. So I have come back from a accelerated

00:35:13
learning background as well. Personal Development, for me was

00:35:15
always a big thing in my life, I always ask the questions of the

00:35:18
world. And one of the gigs that I did was working overseas in

00:35:22
the UK when I would live there. I taught kids accelerated

00:35:24
learning skills. So it's not teaching them as in school, but

00:35:26
although we went into schools, we would teach them a programme

00:35:29
in schools that taught them about their brain and how the

00:35:32
left on the right side talks to each other. And some of those

00:35:34
techniques I use underwater, okay, because why not,

00:35:38
especially with the cognitive people. So we like juggling.

00:35:43
It's so cool to juggle balls takes so long to come down. You

00:35:46
can really get it. Yeah. Even the game of noughts and crosses

00:35:52
on a slate. Yeah. That's not even accelerated learning. But

00:35:56
it's still fun to play with some of our autism clients. Because I

00:35:59
love it. Yeah.

00:36:01
Matt Waters: It's like decode stop stuff.

00:36:02
Lyndi Leggett: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly what you do on

00:36:05
DECA? Yeah.

00:36:06
Matt Waters: So just just going back to the medical side of

00:36:09
things. First thing that popped into mind there as well, was

00:36:15
that the possibilities that not many people using Scuba diving

00:36:19
in therapy, is that they're just under the assumption that it's

00:36:22
too dangerous and can't do it. Correct. Yeah. Sport, so well

00:36:28
done for ignoring that hurdle. And just getting on with it.

00:36:32
Lyndi Leggett: It was David I followed his lead. I'm, you

00:36:35
know, sitting on the shoulders of giants, to be honest, he he

00:36:38
went to naui. Because we have to be now he certified instructors

00:36:42
to run Scuba gym here. And he went to know and worked with

00:36:46
them. That's who he had trained with already said he really was

00:36:49
in the naui system. But now he, because of the results he got

00:36:52
with his son, they listened. And then he then so then he set up

00:36:58
the processes. We've got agreements with now in place

00:37:01
that allow us to do what we do. Plus agreements with doctors,

00:37:06
and the red tape in Australia is insane. So I found a way

00:37:11
through, and here we are, okay.

00:37:20
Matt Waters: I'm just trying to wrap my brain around everything

00:37:22
we've just spoken about. It's just saying, in a good way, in a

00:37:25
good way, it's a great way. Yeah,

00:37:28
Lyndi Leggett: I can tell you some more stories if you while

00:37:30
you're wrapping your head around it.

00:37:35
Matt Waters: Well, what about the equipment? I mean, you've

00:37:37
just mentioned or we've just spoken about, you know, the

00:37:40
hazards, especially with the regulator, do you use Nicolas

00:37:44
Cage or just just standard regulator, centre

00:37:47
Lyndi Leggett: regulator all we have a full face mask that I use

00:37:51
only, only if my cerebral palsy clients really can't keep that

00:37:56
rig in? So the thing about what we do is we always pushing

00:38:00
people to improve the mind and body. And if you get your mind

00:38:05
on board, the body will come along to the party, as we've

00:38:10
seen so many times. And dare I bring the idea of walking on

00:38:15
fire as an example, you get convinced your mind you're not

00:38:18
going to be on your feet, and you won't I know, because I've

00:38:20
done it several times. Yeah. So if you get people underwater to

00:38:23
believe that they can put their hands flat when they are like

00:38:27
this. They they will eventually Yeah. And that's what we've

00:38:32
found by just constantly pushing them. So the full face mask is

00:38:36
great for those who are new, who need to use it. But we really

00:38:41
want to get them on the ladder, because then we get them using

00:38:43
their jaw biting and not going back to the old ways.

00:38:47
Matt Waters: Yeah, yeah. So do you get to the physios and stuff

00:38:53
like that refer their clients to you or as

00:38:56
Lyndi Leggett: they do? Okay. They do. We have had interest

00:39:00
from physios. We have had a gentleman who came to help us

00:39:04
one of so I mentioned our team are incredible. I couldn't do

00:39:07
what I do without the help of the volunteers who are all

00:39:10
qualified divers who come to help and if they're not

00:39:12
qualified, they're on deck and now first aid trained. So we

00:39:17
have so that in itself is pretty special, to have physios come

00:39:22
and say I'm a diver and I'd love to help and then to go. Wow.

00:39:27
Okay, yeah, we could, there's plenty to do here. One of the

00:39:30
friends who's a who's a physio from she qualified in Holland,

00:39:35
her qualification because this is Australia. So she, she wasn't

00:39:43
allowed to practice without re qualifying to some crazy degree.

00:39:47
So I said, Well, what if I teach you to dive Will you come and be

00:39:51
underwater with us? And she said, Yeah, hell yeah. So she's,

00:39:54
she's been helping us underwater as a physio and I have taught

00:39:57
her to dive and it's amazing because then she Things First

00:40:01
off to the to the party as well which is extra, which is

00:40:04
brilliant. But we have had physios in the past and up in

00:40:08
Newcastle wanting us to run programmes up there. It's just a

00:40:12
it's just a matter of getting enough clients for us to travel

00:40:14
up the road to get to Newcastle. Yeah,

00:40:16
Matt Waters: the logistics, I suppose. What's it what's the

00:40:18
what's that lady's name? The physio.

00:40:22
Lyndi Leggett: Oh, I'm here from Holland is mica

00:40:24
Matt Waters: Mica? Shout out, shout out to Mica. Wow. So you

00:40:33
set up in 2019 2018.

00:40:37
Lyndi Leggett: We started in in April 2019 actually in the pool.

00:40:41
So I went over to the US as it turned out, I had one last trip

00:40:44
out there. And with the leadership training on our tag

00:40:47
time on the end to go and see David and his family, meet Jr.

00:40:51
and meet the naui team, meet all the people just be in the water

00:40:54
be in the Scuba gym in energy, and absorb as much as I could

00:40:59
while I was there. And it was amazing. It was a great, great

00:41:01
time was fabulous to be able to give all of the family a big hug

00:41:05
and thank Jr for taking one huge hit for the team because he's

00:41:09
done. He's I mean, because of what he's happened to him. He's

00:41:12
changed the lives of everyone through his mom and dad's work.

00:41:14
So it's incredible. Yeah, there's so many people who've

00:41:16
benefited from this and will continue to because of you know,

00:41:20
people like me crazy to go on continue to stuff.

00:41:26
Matt Waters: It is yeah, there's one thing that we haven't

00:41:28
pointed out yet as well is that you know, we tried to get this

00:41:32
recording done and and ad for Monday just gone. But because it

00:41:38
was Mental Health Awareness Day, but the mental health of your

00:41:44
clients divers bodies, must be remarkable.

00:41:51
Lyndi Leggett: It is. And just on that note, we've actually

00:41:54
just used this last lockdown time to put together a Scuba

00:41:57
warrior programme. So that is specifically for people with

00:42:01
anxiety or post traumatic stress. And it's not a disorder.

00:42:05
It's just post traumatic stress. It's a different approach to

00:42:08
dealing with it that we've taken on. And it's only well it's

00:42:13
because I know people with post traumatic stress I live have

00:42:18
experienced being a child of a veteran. My dad never came home

00:42:22
with PTSD. But my uncle did. And it was it was in my face until I

00:42:28
understood really what was going on. And that was only not that

00:42:31
long ago. I was like, Wow, no wonder porn. Carell was grumpy

00:42:37
with kids, and we never moved. Never move anything out of place

00:42:41
because you would lose it. And now I know why he had not he's

00:42:44
had nightmares every night he was ambushed. So my uncle was

00:42:47
ambushed. I don't know if I told you the story does take and his

00:42:50
jaw was almost entirely blown off. So Zimbabwean it was

00:42:55
through this and Bob, we survived. We were my dad served

00:42:58
as a military policeman and my uncle served as well in a

00:43:00
different, different area. And Uncle rouse jaw is almost blown

00:43:05
off. His voice box was shattered. The doctor said he

00:43:07
would never speak again. He said that he's written up a story

00:43:10
about it. And he said in his story that he was holding his

00:43:13
jaw in place as they were putting him on a stretcher and

00:43:16
loading him into helicopters. And he was saying praise message

00:43:20
that had nothing left that's holding his jaw in case you've

00:43:24
covered in blood. Throat Oh god. I remember seeing him he had you

00:43:29
know that in like platoon and those sorts of movies where

00:43:31
they've just got a hole here and around the throat for the voice

00:43:32
box and everything else has bandaged up, their whole throat

00:43:37
has bandaged up and he couldn't speak he was writing in

00:43:42
hospital. I remember seeing him and he was he was writing. And

00:43:45
my two cousins his two boys. Gosh, they were they were young

00:43:48
when that happened. That was in 1977 on the 23rd of November

00:43:51
1977. That's when that happened. And sadly the point about the

00:43:56
reason I tell you the story is because trauma doesn't just

00:43:58
affect the person who it has happened to. It affects the

00:44:03
whole family. And people don't understand that a lot of people

00:44:06
don't, especially Australians, because they've never had a war

00:44:09
on their own land. They've always gone off to war to other

00:44:13
countries. We've never had one here. So people it's not in

00:44:16
their face enough to understand how our veterans and these

00:44:21
people who serve, suffer and struggle and how it affects

00:44:24
their whole tribe, their group their family. The ripple in the

00:44:29
pond is amazing to prove that my uncle's as I said his ambush

00:44:34
happened his accident they call it happened on the 23rd of

00:44:36
November 1977. Fast forward 15 years to the exact day. His

00:44:42
older son Lee had a horrific car crash and died on the exact day

00:44:47
of Uncle Morales accident is met the 365 days in the year. How's

00:44:52
it possible? Oh, come on. The whole family was traumatised by

00:44:55
that one day because of what happened to route so it doesn't

00:44:58
get it doesn't end there. his youngest son, Trevor, my

00:45:01
youngest cousin, he had a horrific motorbike accident last

00:45:05
year. On the 24th of November, the day after he's still alive

00:45:11
thank God but he broke his back. chasis so, so come on like

00:45:19
Matt Waters: that's that's that's a really shit week via

00:45:22
shit two days for everybody in the family every year then.

00:45:26
Lyndi Leggett: Everyone and can you imagine how rather than and

00:45:30
his wife Kay, my aunt felt when Trevor had his accident, like,

00:45:33
Hi, this is second son. Now day after this is ridiculous. So we

00:45:38
so we are so grateful Trevor is still with us. And able to walk

00:45:42
He's managed. He's walking again. His knee was shattered.

00:45:46
And yeah, he damaged his back. So horrible. And so trauma

00:45:51
affects the whole family. I get that totally do understand why

00:45:54
Rao was grumpy was when we were kids. And perhaps why their

00:45:59
relationship with his sons wasn't crash hot. Because Oh, my

00:46:03
God, it was never treated in those days, it was called shell

00:46:06
shock. And you just get on with it. You'll be right me. Yeah,

00:46:08
no, no, no, no, no, no. So our Scuba warrior programme, we

00:46:12
honour the service, we honour the person, you're not a number.

00:46:16
When you come to us, you don't have to talk. Just if you can,

00:46:19
you know, come we'll teach you to dive or go diving, or even do

00:46:22
missions and, and make it a bit special. It's more about the

00:46:25
tribe and becoming part of a tribe, and be finding a place

00:46:28
where you want to be and being able to apply that to life. If

00:46:33
you can dive for most people, you can do anything. Because

00:46:36
everyone's terrified of diving one. Camera out Yeah. Take a

00:46:43
photo.

00:46:45
Matt Waters: I think the nail on the head there as well as,

00:46:47
particularly when it comes to PTSD and military personnel. I

00:46:51
mean, I've got 17 years service in UK forces. Thank you for

00:46:56
being nervous. All right. It was it was great fun. But the thing

00:47:01
that that you miss when you leave is the camaraderie you

00:47:05
always keep in touch with the people that you're close to in

00:47:07
the military. But that actual feeling of being part of a

00:47:12
community isn't really the same. And anything else you ever do in

00:47:18
life? Yeah. And the closest thing I found to it is Scuba

00:47:21
diving.

00:47:22
Lyndi Leggett: Yeah, and not that it was we can compare what

00:47:26
you went through. But I would say the same applied when I

00:47:29
overloaded the group of friends. No one actually could understand

00:47:33
and still don't, because it was a bit vague, sometimes some of

00:47:36
the stories that we tell anyway, but yeah, that camaraderie, I

00:47:43
mean, the friends that I have from that trip, or just they

00:47:46
will be with me forever, you know, those sorts of people, I

00:47:48
don't have to see them. I haven't seen some of them for 20

00:47:51
years, but I can pick up the phone. And they're, they're just

00:47:54
that that's pretty special in life to have that sort of a

00:47:57
connection with a group or a few people. So if we can create an

00:48:02
environment where people can come and it's not about I don't,

00:48:05
I don't sell here. I'm not here to make pots of cash off here. I

00:48:10
want us to do stuff that pays it forward that we can, you know,

00:48:14
help out other people. And if you come you can, you can become

00:48:18
a volunteer at the Scuba gym and help disabled people because I

00:48:21
promise you it's not just the clients who are disabled who

00:48:24
gets something out of coming to Scuba gym. One of my volunteers

00:48:29
is a very, very bright bunny. He's an engineer. And he said to

00:48:32
me not long ago, I can't tell you how scary this this was. So

00:48:36
what do you mean, you're qualified diver, you've died all

00:48:39
over the world doing all sorts of crazy shit. And you're

00:48:42
telling me this is this is I'm not good with people. This is

00:48:45
it's really confronting to having to lift people onto a

00:48:48
hoist and be almost in their faces. But it's amazing to be

00:48:52
can be a part of it. Yeah. So he got something quite special that

00:48:56
I hadn't even really considered. Not that I expect everyone to be

00:49:02
weird and crazy a little bit like me, but just you know, if

00:49:04
you're a diver, there's something about your look your

00:49:07
outlook on life and, and being able to step out of your comfort

00:49:11
zone because we all do it. That's what diving is for a lot

00:49:13
of people, it's just going into a whole different comfort zone.

00:49:17
One that is particularly scary for others. But for us. So

00:49:21
technical diving for me, there was a time where I did that. I

00:49:25
would love to do cave diving, but it's not right up on my list

00:49:27
of things to do. There's other places I would love to go up and

00:49:30
see up to the very roof with you guys in November and see the

00:49:34
coral spawning That for me is just magical. And that's the

00:49:38
diving I love is the magic side of it all. And I'm sure there's

00:49:41
magic down at 100 metres. I'm sure Paul will tell me I'm just

00:49:46
not in a hurry at the moment to go down and see it.

00:49:49
Matt Waters: Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you. I hear ya. And I

00:49:52
suppose your focus isn't really on the the individuals that are

00:49:57
there and volunteering and you know, just picking up on what

00:50:00
you said there about not recognising the benefits that

00:50:03
they got. Because you're trying to do everything for that

00:50:06
individual that's come for the help. So you don't necessarily

00:50:09
see what's going on outside of that environment either.

00:50:14
Lyndi Leggett: One of my team, another team member messaged me

00:50:17
and said, Hi, I'm local. I actually have post traumatic

00:50:20
stress, but I'm actually a dive instructor. And I just want to

00:50:24
get back in the water because of the PTSD. I just want. Is it

00:50:27
okay, if I come and dive with you at the pool when you're

00:50:29
doing? And I'm like, Yeah, mate. Are you kidding? Absolutely

00:50:33
brilliant. What do you need, you know, to have just just ticked a

00:50:37
lot of boxes, and he's become a really good friend. Right? It's

00:50:40
just amazing. So you know, he, he loved it, because their focus

00:50:43
is not on them. You're diving for other people. And you're

00:50:46
watching and you're giving, and there's a different there's a

00:50:48
synergy and an energy that I can't explain until you've been

00:50:52
underwater with these people, and got involved. And I think

00:50:56
that's, I'm going to not go unicorns and fairies just yet.

00:51:00
But that's the holistic view that I wish that more people

00:51:04
understood and bought into because it's so powerful to be a

00:51:08
part of that journey of helping somebody to heal and to

00:51:13
rehabilitate or to learn the high five Scuba dive, high five,

00:51:18
that we've got our one some of our autistic clients, they just

00:51:20
absolutely love and and just to see the joy. That is, that's

00:51:24
what, that's what it's about. For me, I'm going to start

00:51:26
pricing

00:51:27
Matt Waters: much right. I think it refocuses as well, I mean,

00:51:30
you, you know, like you say, not doing the unicorns and fairies,

00:51:34
but you look at everyday life now, especially, you know, in

00:51:38
the cities, Sydney, Newcastle, that everyone's running around,

00:51:41
everyone's busy, you know, the focus is on the phone, or the

00:51:44
computer or work and the stresses and that continual

00:51:48
grind. And just getting into the pool and helping someone who is

00:51:52
effectively helpless. And seeing a huge benefit is in itself a

00:51:58
huge benefit to the people that are actually experiencing it

00:52:01
away from the environment of what we're doing now looking

00:52:04
through TV screens all the time.

00:52:07
Lyndi Leggett: 100%. And that's the, the magic that we find out

00:52:12
I mean, just having people with anxiety who come and learn to

00:52:15
dive push themselves, set underwater blowing bubbles just

00:52:19
to calm down. And now, you know, dear friends who are there in a

00:52:23
heartbeat who want to help. It's just an amazing transformation

00:52:26
to watch. And actually, I find a bit of an honour to be in that

00:52:30
position to be able to witness change in people, whether it's

00:52:35
very physical, whether it's more cognitive mental stuff, or being

00:52:39
able to help I'm not sure if you saw the video that we put

00:52:42
together, the cleanup we did not long ago and my beautiful friend

00:52:46
Sophie who does a lot of our videos. She's an amazing friend

00:52:50
and amazing asset to the to the Scuba gem team, because she's a

00:52:54
professional cinematographer. And her work is outstanding, but

00:52:58
to be able to give her the opportunity of coming onto this

00:53:01
amazing boat that again was gifted to us by the gentleman

00:53:05
who's who said to me, let me help this is what I got. I was

00:53:08
like wow, well we're going to take veterans can we test run it

00:53:11
and get Sylvia to come and she was she just to be able to sell

00:53:15
on this beautiful boat and cruise around our waterways and

00:53:18
jump in the water and clean up of it and make videos for it was

00:53:22
just a gift.

00:53:23
Matt Waters: Hold on a moment. You've got a boat.

00:53:25
Lyndi Leggett: No, no, no, it's not ours. It was gifted it was

00:53:28
actually a gentleman, dude. Come on. Yeah, no, he he's actually

00:53:37
one of my boat clients. And he said to me, do I know any free

00:53:40
divers? I was sitting on the Marina getting ready to to head

00:53:44
off home and I said what do you why do you want free divers? And

00:53:46
he saw I've got this boat. I really want to use it. I want to

00:53:49
take free divers out and see what about Scuba divers. Hello,

00:53:52
I'm in my wetsuit like aloe. And he said Oh, and so I explained

00:53:56
about my actually if you if you are willing to let us use your

00:54:00
boat and you drive us places, I have my Scuba warrior programme

00:54:04
which this could be a fantastic synergy of services, they will

00:54:09
you know will take the veterans they will have a fabulous day on

00:54:11
your boat will go diving or clean up the ocean. Or we'll go

00:54:16
look for starfishes or go and find what our marine biologist

00:54:20
friends want us to find. Because they're professors at the

00:54:22
university and they're looking for particular seahorses mother

00:54:26
find them whatever it takes just to keep the focus and the

00:54:30
missions out there for our Scuba warriors but also to pay it

00:54:33
forward to make sure that we are contributing to a bigger

00:54:36
picture. That's what it's about. And David said yeah, let's do it.

00:54:40
Matt Waters: Let's take my boat that's awesome.

00:54:42
Lyndi Leggett: Ah, amazing to be you know, just it's just when

00:54:46
you gifted stuff like that it's it's pretty special.

00:54:50
Matt Waters: Yeah. How big is the boat? How many people can

00:54:52
you take?

00:54:54
Lyndi Leggett: We have with gear it's it's a bit of a cruise boat

00:54:57
so it's beautiful boat cruise, but we had Two divers, two

00:55:01
camera people and him. So there were six of us. And I would say

00:55:07
we could probably fit another two more divers, I would say

00:55:08
four divers with tanks and all the gear would probably be

00:55:12
enough for the back of his boat to handle.

00:55:14
Matt Waters: Yeah, yeah. I can't imagine six veterans on the back

00:55:19
of a boat having a few good dives. And I'm sorry,

00:55:27
Lyndi Leggett: for everyone listening. I'm sorry, I didn't

00:55:30
do it the wrong way around. It just be life changing, which is

00:55:37
really what it's about for me to be able to have provide an

00:55:42
opportunity to help people change their lives. That's

00:55:45
pretty cool.

00:55:47
Matt Waters: So how many? How many veterans have you gotten?

00:55:51
Lyndi Leggett: We've got? Well, we've got a handful at the

00:55:54
moment, literally a handful. We're just about to run our next

00:55:57
warrior programme. Unfortunately, we haven't had

00:56:00
great weather, as you well know, which really puts a dampener on

00:56:03
the diving industry and has done for the last couple of years.

00:56:05
But this last year has been horrendous for diving. Last year

00:56:08
was fabulous. We had the best August In fact, we were grateful

00:56:11
for lockdown because we got to do recreational diving without

00:56:15
taking students anyway, was great. And that what we saw was

00:56:19
unreal, just up here at the Haven and Terrigal was unreal.

00:56:23
But this year has been absolutely miserable. We haven't

00:56:25
really had the same. Having said that we did see sixth graders is

00:56:29
just amazing. On our first pilot course, was the Scuba warrior

00:56:34
pilot course we had, we don't get to see greenhouses, maybe

00:56:37
one once a year. If we're lucky at the Haven, we had six, six of

00:56:41
them cruising around us for for open water dives. Nice. Yeah, it

00:56:45
was. It was unreal. And we had, we had so we had mum and son and

00:56:50
Dad and son and a couple other veterans on it. And it was very

00:56:55
special for them because they were the child and the child

00:56:59
would be, you know, barely 20. So I'm not talking a kid. But

00:57:03
just to have that bond and have that time that magic time

00:57:06
together of seeing sharks and beautiful sharks and being in

00:57:10
this very special place was was amazing. So it was really good

00:57:14
bonding for everyone, particularly those veterans who

00:57:17
had signed up with their kids.

00:57:19
Matt Waters: Yeah, yeah. Now, I wanted to also expand on we had

00:57:24
a very brief chat about the veterans last week. And you

00:57:30
asked me about doing trips, expeditions? Yes.

00:57:35
Lyndi Leggett: Not just our veterans, please man if we could

00:57:38
do. So for me. For me, the bigger picture is to get Scuba

00:57:42
gym running across Australia, I think that we need disabilities

00:57:46
needs the disability sector could do with the Scuba gym in

00:57:50
all big cities up and running. That would be awesome. But then

00:57:54
we don't just want to keep people coming to therapy. We

00:57:57
want to help those people who are taking the plunge and

00:57:59
learning to dive to actually go and travel. And when you said to

00:58:03
me You run a Scuba travel business, I just got very

00:58:07
excited and said what about disabilities and let's can we

00:58:12
put chips together so we're very good friends with Willie campus.

00:58:16
So they are based up in Queensland and they have great

00:58:19
big campus camper vans that are specifically decked out for

00:58:23
disabled people so they can get their chairs and they can go

00:58:27
cruising around Australia in a camper, which is fabulous. And

00:58:30
if we could do the same sort of thing with Scuba, I'm not

00:58:33
suggesting we get a camper but I'm thinking if we had dive

00:58:37
trips that we could take people to see some amazing stuff when

00:58:41
we know that the other end we've got a boat that we can use that

00:58:46
can take a wheelchair because not all boats can and it's

00:58:49
really tricky to find you know sometimes it's tricky to find

00:58:52
boats or people or outfits all people out there who are willing

00:58:57
to allow us to come on board and with a wheelchair or with an

00:59:01
amputee or you know somebody with something like that. So

00:59:06
that would be cool if we could you know work towards some a

00:59:10
trip like that. That would be awesome. I've got a little plan

00:59:12
in mind already. Not to go anywhere but to help out

00:59:17
autistic clients who are not qualified to dive but they are

00:59:22
my clients and we have worked with him for months and months.

00:59:27
I have a connection at the I don't know if I should tell you

00:59:30
this actually because this is a bit special. I have to point

00:59:34
this out. All right. Well, you can tell me choose to put it in

00:59:39
I'll tell you. I have bonded with the Sydney aquarium and my

00:59:45
plan is to get them to when they open up the tank dives again, is

00:59:50
to be allowed with my those of the few that I would recommend

00:59:55
of my autistic clients to do a tank dive so they get to Here's

01:00:00
what it's like to dive with sharks, okay, in Sydney

01:00:04
aquarium. And the problem with that is you have to be a

01:00:07
qualified diver and there's a few red bit of red tape to, to

01:00:10
cut through, but we're on our way, put it that way, and they

01:00:13
haven't opened them up just yet. So,

01:00:15
Matt Waters: hey, couldn't you have a look at the IOSH scheme

01:00:20
or system for training as a way of manipulating that so that you

01:00:24
can qualify people manipulating? Could you manipulate the

01:00:28
training so that qualifying disabled people as a diver,

01:00:35
Lyndi Leggett: some some of my clients can qualify. So that's

01:00:39
different, but the people who choose who I just want to make

01:00:43
this like a special end of year thing, I'm hoping that they will

01:00:46
let us do it with the, with my team rather than their team.

01:00:51
Because my team have worked with these people day in and day out.

01:00:55
And I would, I wouldn't be happy to have a guide with us who's

01:00:59
with the aquarium. And but if we could lead it, so to speak, or

01:01:04
run it

01:01:06
Matt Waters: that way, that would make sense just one day,

01:01:08
Lyndi Leggett: that would because they quote, they're not

01:01:10
qualified, but they're, they're signed off to dive down to, you

01:01:14
know, between two and forming as deep as, as our dive doctor, and

01:01:19
the pools off. So. So that's what I'm thinking. And we know,

01:01:24
particularly me know how to cope with those who may well freak

01:01:29
out. Because we don't know how they're gonna react, some might

01:01:32
chase after them. That's something I would love to do.

01:01:40
But, you know, it's just because of all the time I've spent with

01:01:43
them. I think, if I have to go and do five or six tank dives,

01:01:46
I'm happy to Yeah. Now that was the ultimate experience. We

01:01:50
amazing, be on fire for four months.

01:01:54
Matt Waters: They just end up going going back home and even

01:01:57
in any wheelchair. What you've done today. Just jumped in a

01:02:01
tank with a bunch of sharks. You know, how many people can say

01:02:04
that?

01:02:05
Lyndi Leggett: Especially if you're in a wheelchair? I mean,

01:02:07
really? Yeah. And what will be super cool. When I did a tank

01:02:11
dive in Cape Town aquarium. Soon as we got in and went down, all

01:02:16
the tourists who were in the, in the aquarium watching the fishes

01:02:19
rushed to the to the glass and took photos. So it would be

01:02:25
amazing to have to have someone from the press perhaps there to

01:02:29
go, wow, look at these amazing people. They've got disabilities

01:02:35
or cognitive or physical and yeah, they are diving with

01:02:39
sharks.

01:02:41
Matt Waters: If you if it comes off, let me know. Because I'll

01:02:43
rock up and bring the microphones and take the piss

01:02:47
out some silly questions. Yeah,

01:02:49
Lyndi Leggett: absolutely. Well, Matt, good. Maybe you will come

01:02:53
in with us?

01:02:54
Matt Waters: Well, you never know. I don't know. I'm not a

01:02:57
massive fan of aquariums, which clearly not members are. But I

01:03:02
can see. Yeah, I can see the relevance. And this is the only

01:03:08
time I would actually agree with an aquarium to be honest. Yeah,

01:03:14
but anyway, back to the trips. Yes, I was trying to I'm trying

01:03:17
to think of when he was asking about it and talking about it, I

01:03:20
was trying to think of locations that would be able to

01:03:22
accommodate wheelchairs. And I think that's the difficult, but

01:03:26
I can understand, I can think of a lot of places that we could

01:03:29
take people who were amputees but just the wheelchairs, that's

01:03:33
the difficulty.

01:03:35
Lyndi Leggett: We can Well, we can adapt, certainly, there's

01:03:38
ways that we can, we can take things, and D locks and all

01:03:44
sorts of things to clip them into place. It's just being

01:03:47
getting them in and out of the water. And having the expertise,

01:03:52
it might mean a few of my team will have to come. It just

01:04:00
changes. I think it changes the way we have holidays. So just

01:04:04
like we've I've done amazing dies, as I'm sure you have and

01:04:08
how long will that continue it just to be able to give other

01:04:11
people that feeling of an experience of even if it's

01:04:16
worked for us? Doesn't matter? Yes. It's just amazing for them.

01:04:21
And you know what, there's a whole sort of lot of chemicals

01:04:24
in your body that when they are fired off, whether it's not

01:04:28
adrenaline because you've seen a shark, whether it's just

01:04:31
oxytocin or dopamine, or whatever it is, that all helps.

01:04:36
Those are the drugs that help the ones that your body fires

01:04:39
off automatically from having these amazing experiences. And

01:04:42
that's I reckon, what helps with the healing is just a personal

01:04:46
opinion just to be in that different space and out of the

01:04:50
usual headspace and excitement of going on a holiday and then

01:04:53
the adventure of going on a dive holiday for the first time ever.

01:04:56
Matt Waters: Wow. Yeah. Well Yeah, we're gonna have to do a

01:05:02
lot of looking at locations and say this can work.

01:05:07
Lyndi Leggett: I have a contact who can speak to that where he's

01:05:10
been he's in a chair as well has been for years of setting up No,

01:05:14
he would know okay, where there's some good spots we could

01:05:17
start off with. It's also about Yeah, finding the boat we could

01:05:20
so one of the guy who we use for our other cleanups when we are

01:05:25
using a barge clean for shore JOHNNo that barge we could

01:05:30
easily get a chair on and lock it into place. The problem with

01:05:33
what we do with the with the barge and clean foreshore is not

01:05:37
really designed for disabled divers particularly because it's

01:05:42
sometimes you can't see any funny face other times it's just

01:05:46
dangerous and dangerous for disabled not necessarily for us.

01:05:51
Able bodied but able bodied can get out of a situation quickly.

01:05:54
Yeah. So So yeah, we need to find a boat overseas that will

01:06:01
would be happy for us to or even a shore dive. We can take the

01:06:04
chair that goes in the sand. Do some cool shore dive somewhere.

01:06:09
Matt Waters: Do you reckon you could get the Jamaican get to

01:06:11
Koh Tao from Thailand? I reckon it's a bit of a you know, you've

01:06:16
got to get on a ferry to get across from the mainland. And

01:06:20
there's so many resorts there that are beach front. And if

01:06:24
you've got wheelchairs that go over beaches, sorry beaches,

01:06:27
just very easy to get into and go and dive at the front of the

01:06:31
pool. So easy food as well. Yeah. Excuse me, there's,

01:06:37
there's actually a, I gotta say, I'm thinking of Jim Donaldson

01:06:41
now who's who's one of the owners of Big Blue, I used to

01:06:44
work at Big Blue a few years ago. Now he's just relocated and

01:06:52
refurbished an amazing pool area. And it's like 40 metres

01:06:56
from the beach and the runoff, getting down to the beach.

01:07:00
There's no steps going down to the beach, it's all ramp and

01:07:04
then onto the sand. And I don't know if you've ever heard about

01:07:08
the diving at Kota, which is not insane, current solid kind of

01:07:12
stuff. It's 2030 metre visibility and the best part of

01:07:16
most of the year. But the reason I mentioned big blue, not just

01:07:21
because I'm part of the big blue family, but Jim is massively

01:07:25
passionate about rehabilitation, and especially for veterans as

01:07:30
well. He asked me about it years ago. So I know that he's one guy

01:07:34
that if I put you in chats, he would be 100% on board with

01:07:39
saying yes,

01:07:41
Lyndi Leggett: I would love to talk to him. And I know that

01:07:43
people who are the people who listen to your podcasts, so you

01:07:47
never know who listens, there'll be someone or maybe a few people

01:07:50
who jump back at your comment, send you an email back or send

01:07:53
me one saying, Hey, I'd love to help. I've got a boat or I've

01:07:58
got something or I know someone you know, all of that helps out

01:08:02
so much. So feel free for those people who are listening who've

01:08:06
got some ideas to join the tribe. Come and talk to us. Yeah,

01:08:10
Matt Waters: get involved. Hashtag get involved.

01:08:14
Lyndi Leggett: Make a difference. That's a good thing.

01:08:16
I use a lot make a difference.

01:08:17
Matt Waters: Yeah. Yeah. And it's difficult to comprehend how

01:08:20
much of a difference you're making on so many different

01:08:22
levels. That's marvellous. So what's the what's the what's the

01:08:26
big picture for for the Scuba gym in Australia, then what's

01:08:31
the if you've got an end goal, or are you just, you're gonna

01:08:34
stay? Sorry, go?

01:08:36
Lyndi Leggett: I've got I've got a few people. I've got a lot of

01:08:40
people who who get in touch and say, Have you got a Scuba gym in

01:08:44
Melbourne? Have you got one in Adelaide? Have you got one, I

01:08:47
would love to have one in every big city because as I said,

01:08:50
there's a need for this sort of work. And there's an opportunity

01:08:55
for the right sort of people to take on this project. Because it

01:09:00
does it's not. It's not a Scuba, it's not a Scuba school and the

01:09:03
Scuba shop as per what we know. It's a very different mentality

01:09:08
and a different type of qualification. If that's the

01:09:11
right word that we would be looking for, not to say that you

01:09:17
haven't got your own stuff to bring in and help with the Scuba

01:09:21
gym, there's definitely that as well. So the three programmes we

01:09:25
run our therapy, Scuba camps and also the Scuba warrior

01:09:28
programme, Scuba warrior programme we could certainly

01:09:30
share across Australia with a bit of work to help people

01:09:34
understand what's involved in that. And again, it's not about

01:09:37
selling our veterans gear because it's not. It's not

01:09:41
that's one of the problems I find with this whole Scuba

01:09:44
industry is you get on a cheap course consumption 50 bucks and

01:09:47
you get qualified and then the way to make the money is to pack

01:09:50
people on. Sell them. Yeah, yeah, that's not that's not how

01:09:54
it works.

01:09:55
Matt Waters: We know dogshit model, quite frankly.

01:09:59
Lyndi Leggett: It's horrible. So that's not the sort of people I

01:10:01
would like to have involved in what we do, it's a different

01:10:04
type of different type of person and bigger picture more sees,

01:10:10
sees, understands and sees the holistic side of life that we

01:10:13
do, and wants to bring their own magic to that as well, which

01:10:16
would be super cool. And there's a couple of people I know

01:10:19
already who have reached out, and it's just a matter of time

01:10:22
before we can, we can set up Scuba gyms across Australia, and

01:10:27
it is going to happen, we are also working on a very special

01:10:31
pool because we then have a very special pool up here on the

01:10:34
coast, which we need someone working with members of

01:10:38
parliament to help us get somewhere with that. So we can

01:10:42
have a hub for the Scuba gym here on the Central Coast. And

01:10:45
then take it out there. And the more people who help the

01:10:48
veterans, you know, if it's not, if it's not our programme,

01:10:50
there's, there's other ways we can, they can be involved. So

01:10:55
it's really about changing people, maybe inspiring people

01:10:59
to change the way that they think about what they do. And

01:11:04
maybe take the focus off of the money side of it and making

01:11:08
selling again, focusing more on the people and the bringing the

01:11:11
tribe together, especially after what we've all just been

01:11:15
through, think it's a great time to have a step back and go hang

01:11:19
on a minute, let's let's start again, let's change the way we

01:11:22
do this and, and focus on the people and helping each other

01:11:26
very much of a tribal way of looking at life. And sharing,

01:11:31
and not being afraid to share not that's really important, as

01:11:35
I've found in what we do. And the more that you give, the more

01:11:39
you get. I swear to God, there's so many examples. I get given

01:11:43
stuff all the time, not just secondhand wetsuits from

01:11:46
veterans and old masks that are really shouldn't be in a museum.

01:11:50
There was I just love it when they send me this stuff. It's

01:11:52
amazing. But I you know, I the boat, David lets me use his

01:11:57
boat. So he drives it, I don't. But it doesn't cost me anything.

01:12:01
It's just such an amazing human just being able to do that. And

01:12:04
more people send me wetsuits, brand new ones. I got nine the

01:12:06
other day.

01:12:07
Matt Waters: Wow. Where'd that come from? Right.

01:12:10
Lyndi Leggett: From, from T T ws hire my friends who had become

01:12:16
friends because they heard about what I do. And they will. He is

01:12:19
a professional water skier, the guy who runs the company, and he

01:12:23
said to me, how can I help? And I said, what really? And he goes

01:12:27
yeah, I'm I'm connected to went to manufacturers because of the

01:12:31
work I do that help and I said hell yeah. So Trojans ski

01:12:37
charging skis diving. Something else they got us the suits, but

01:12:41
it was paid for by TWA is higher. And they arrived on my

01:12:44
doorstep the other day nine beautiful suits. Awesome.

01:12:47
Lovely. So yeah. And David was incredible, incredibly generous

01:12:52
to begin with. So he sent the model when he flew out at his

01:12:54
own expense to train me up. Amazing men.

01:13:00
Matt Waters: What about? I'm just thinking of it, because

01:13:02
it's, it's I think it's something that the majority of

01:13:05
people that are listening to this podcast would want to do.

01:13:10
My only fear would be how do you if I if I was to start up a

01:13:15
Scuba gym in Sydney? You know, how would I be able to support

01:13:20
my fund or my finances, doing the Scuba gym? Is there any kind

01:13:24
of support coming from the government because of what

01:13:27
you're doing.

01:13:28
Lyndi Leggett: So if somebody wanted to start a Scuba gym,

01:13:31
they would have to come to me because I have the licence for

01:13:34
Australia. So we would work, we will work together to ensure the

01:13:39
success of their Scuba gym, and how we get funded. So we are a

01:13:45
not for profit. Now we, which is exciting. This is our first year

01:13:49
of being a not for profit. And we have now got more access to

01:13:54
grants doesn't mean say we're going to get them. Because we're

01:13:56
not for profit, it means that we've got more chance of getting

01:13:58
them than we were as a for profit company. So it honestly

01:14:03
if people want to start a Scuba gym is about getting in touch

01:14:05
with me. And we can make it happen. I can show you how we

01:14:10
can start generating more of an income for you. It's not going

01:14:14
to be massive to begin with because it takes time. Yeah. The

01:14:17
more that we the more that we get out there. So we're working

01:14:21
slowly. It's taken a while but slowly but surely we're getting

01:14:25
into royal rehab, which is the spinal injuries Hospital in in

01:14:31
ride. Okay, that's taken a long time. But to have that, so

01:14:36
somebody you don't want to it's it's better that we work

01:14:39
together as a team to build to build the Scuba gym across

01:14:43
Australia. And so yeah, if people are listening and they

01:14:46
want to get involved, come and volunteer. Be a member of the

01:14:51
team jumping, have a conversation. It may not be what

01:14:53
you like it may be to confronting it might be to whoa

01:14:59
Half a dozen things. I'm not sure I like that. Okay, then

01:15:02
don't do it. That's not your gig. It's not you're not in any

01:15:05
trouble. But then we have people who find out what we do and just

01:15:09
one gentleman has just retired he's never going to dive again.

01:15:12
He just brought me all his gear. Yeah, caught the train out from

01:15:14
Sydney and brought me all his gear. My really thank you. And

01:15:18
it's in great Nick. I was gonna get it service but the guy might

01:15:21
technician you services. All my gear said I took some of that

01:15:23
apart and could see that it's actually been done recently. I'm

01:15:26
not going to take it apart, doesn't need it. So other people

01:15:31
that mean, there's so many one people find out what we do. One

01:15:34
gentleman went on, got a whole bunch of people to volunteer

01:15:38
their gear that they were selling online. To give him a

01:15:40
give it away. Like, and he rings me up he goes, I've got two

01:15:44
crates of gear for you. What?

01:15:48
Matt Waters: Is your house big enough for all this?

01:15:50
Lyndi Leggett: Well, yeah, that's yeah. And to begin with

01:15:53
when starting this model of with not selling gear, and it's not

01:15:59
an instant money spinner was hard, was really hard. But it

01:16:04
paid off. And it's beginning to pay off more as we are able to

01:16:09
help people again and this craziness subsides that we've

01:16:13
been through, people are coming out again, going, Okay, let's

01:16:17
take another look at life. I mean, the clients that are

01:16:20
coming, coming back out again, especially the very vulnerable,

01:16:24
which is great, because you know, it, it's time to move on

01:16:27
and it's time to to get back out there and live life and not be

01:16:30
scared anymore. Yeah. Well, that's it. I know, it's easy for

01:16:33
an able bodied person who's fit and healthy to say that at the

01:16:36
same time, surely, these last couple of years is just that for

01:16:40
most people, like really? Come on. We've wasted so much time

01:16:45
It's time to get out and live again.

01:16:46
Matt Waters: Yeah, yeah, this way. I mean, it's one thing,

01:16:49
it's the price, the priceless thing in life, isn't it time,

01:16:52
you know, once it's gone, you're never gonna get it back. Plain

01:16:54
and simple. That's right. Just gotta make the most of it.

01:16:57
Lyndi Leggett: And people who who have been and gone and gone

01:17:01
backwards in their therapy will know that firsthand. They will

01:17:04
know and that's the sad part. So it's really now a good time to

01:17:10
to say well, actually hang on. We're underwater for God's sake.

01:17:14
Let's get underwater exercise. Let's be in that world. Let's be

01:17:19
part of the tribe. Let's learn let's be living out of our

01:17:22
comfort zones. That's where the fruit of life is outside of your

01:17:25
comfort zone.

01:17:27
Matt Waters: outside your comfort zone and then a good a

01:17:28
good community

01:17:30
Lyndi Leggett: in a great community. Absolutely. Yeah, for

01:17:33
sure.

01:17:34
Matt Waters: Happy days. Right then Linda? Linda Lindy I also

01:17:39
Linda, I don't know why. It's been an absolute pleasure

01:17:42
talking to you. And I want you to keep me posted on you know

01:17:46
when I can come up, because I'd love to come up and help out. I

01:17:51
might be a dribbling wreck. I can imagine it's quite emotional

01:17:54
at the side of the pool. But yeah, I'd love to.

01:17:58
Lyndi Leggett: I'd love you to join us then we Awesome Thank

01:17:59
you, man. Yeah, for sure.

01:18:02
Matt Waters: Happy days. Okay, well, we're gonna sign off for

01:18:04
now. As Lindy said earlier on anyone who wants to get in touch

01:18:08
with Lindy can do through the show. I'll put a load of links

01:18:12
in the in the show notes. And I think we can find space on the

01:18:16
homepage on Scuba podcast to slap at the Scuba Jim there for

01:18:20
a hyperlink over to your website. No problem at all.

01:18:23
Lyndi Leggett: Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. I

01:18:25
look forward to meeting more like minded people.

01:18:28
Matt Waters: Lovely stuff. Lindy absolute pleasure to speak to

01:18:32
everybody. Bye.